CO2 bug

[TorpX]

I'm putting this poll up to find out how many people have difficulty with the "CO2 bug".

For those who have never heard of it, or experienced it, it involves having your sub's CO2 levels rise even after you have surfaced. It is commonly associated with Alt-Tabbing out of the game, but is somewhat mysterious, in that not everyone is subject to it.

I would like to know how many people avoid using SH4 utilities for this reason. Any theories as to what is at the bottom of it, or how to avoid it, are welcome.

TorpX

[pabbi]

actually i'm playing 1.4 so co2 bug dos not apply to me.

[BigWalleye]

Originally Posted by CapnScurvy

Your poll doesn't cover all aspects of the problem.

I never Alt-Tab out of the game, always fully exiting, yet the Co2 bug has occurred to me when playing.

REALLY? Well, there goes another theory down the drain! I thought we had reverse-engineered the cause of this bug and had a bug-proof work-around. Thud!

Fortunately. there IS a widely-reported recovery: Save the game with the CO2 problem. Exit to desktop. Then restart and load the save. Should be all clear. I've heard this is a sure fix. Has anyone ever found it to fail?

[CapnScurvy]

Your poll doesn't cover all aspects of the problem.

I never Alt-Tab out of the game, always fully exiting, yet the Co2 bug has occasionally occurred to me when playing.

Originally Posted by TorpX

I would like to know how many people avoid using SH4 utilities for this reason.

If you're referring to the games "utilities" as being the Alt-Tab keystrokes? Where's the game utilities stating "Alt-Tab" is a part of its keyboard setup? The game doesn't reference the Alt-Tab feature as something to do (even though Windows offers it as a way of exiting a program). Alt-Tab is an offered "Windows" capability, not a game feature. It's just that some folks have picked up on doing it when the program is running.

As far as using it and for some saying its the reason for the Co2 bug........it's like the guy that goes to the doctor complaining about his arm hurting when he raises it over his head. The doctor told him "If your arm hurts when you do dat...........don't do dat!!"

To deal with the bug when you get it......... save your game, exit back to Windows (the proper way), restart the saved game point when reloading the game. Seems the bug is gone.

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(Sorry BigWalleye, I deleted my message after your post. It's like you've got ESP on what I was about to say!!)

[fireftr18]

I've gotten it on occasion. Been so long, I don't remember the circumstances. It's an easy fix so it doesn't bother me.

[Armistead]

I only get it when Alt/Tab out of game. Another issue I sometimes get when doing this is silent running doesn't work. As stated saving and restarting corrects it.

never heard a good idea to what the "bug" is or how to cure it but a save and reload fixes it

it seams the game loses contact with sensing if the crew is on deck, co2 level, or even with some sounds that get stuck in a repeat loop

after years of playing i have never alt+tab and have never had this problem, i use windows key or esc key to pause and exit the game and never seen the issue myself

[TorpX]

Originally Posted by CapnScurvy

Your poll doesn't cover all aspects of the problem.

I never Alt-Tab out of the game, always fully exiting, yet the Co2 bug has occasionally occurred to me when playing.

Sorry, I didn't know anyone got it this way. Anyway, that's why I invited people to comment about their experiences. Maybe, just maybe, a fix will become evident.

[razark]

I alt-tab out sometimes, and don't have problems.

I go to the command room, in 1x time compression, and alt-tab. No issues. If I alt-tab from somewhere else in the game (or some other program steals focus and forces itself in my way), I get the problem with crew on deck under water. I've never had the CO2 bug.

[fastfed]

The fix is so super easy..


I alt-tab ALL THE FREAKING TIME!!

And it happens 1 out of 10 times I do it.. Or close to it.

When I notice it happens.. I just save right then and there and load the saved game before I even leave the pause screen..

takes 8 seconds total.

no big deal,

[Armistead]

In all my time playing CO2 has never been an issue. I can't recall the timer, but I know I've stayed under 24 plus hours before I got the 10% warning. I have my contact times very long, most escorts elite and a strong AI, seems the most they held me down was about 8 hours. I think most fleetboats could stay submerged 36-50 hours if needed. Except for realism, it's really a mute issue. The fix, was disable it in settings if you need to tab out a lot for whatever issue.

[Scottb8411]

I set my display in "windowed mode" and am able to Alt-Tab without suffering from the CO2 bug. I actually discovered this by accident after purchasing a wide screen monitor and choose to play in 1680 x 1050 to avoid the stretched screen look.

Before changing to windowed mode I used to suffer the CO2 bug quite often...

[CapnScurvy]

Originally Posted by Armistead

In all my time playing CO2 has never been an issue. I can't recall the timer, but I know I've stayed under 24 plus hours before I got the 10% warning. I have my contact times very long, most escorts elite and a strong AI, seems the most they held me down was about 8 hours. I think most fleetboats could stay submerged 36-50 hours if needed. Except for realism, it's really a mute issue. The fix, was disable it in settings if you need to tab out a lot for whatever issue.

The issue of the Co2 bug doesn't have anything to do with how long you may be submerged. Co2 developes with just a small amount of time being submerged. With the bug, no matter what you do, the Co2 keeps increasing until the death screen appears. You can surface with just a small amount of Co2 showing on the indicator, but you know you've got the bug when the Co2 keeps increasing. After playing this game for years it's only happened to me once. But, it occurred for no apparent reason, and having nothing to do with using the Alt-Tab keystrokes. I was submerged with no other ships present, but on surfacing the Co2 level kept increasing.

Besides Armistead, I thought you posted??:

Originally Posted by Armistead

I only get it when Alt/Tab out of game.

[HertogJan]

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Never had that bug...

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by CapnScurvy

The issue of the Co2 bug doesn't have anything to do with how long you may be submerged. Co2 developes with just a small amount of time being submerged. With the bug, no matter what you do, the Co2 keeps increasing until the death screen appears. You can surface with just a small amount of Co2 showing on the indicator, but you know you've got the bug when the Co2 keeps increasing. After playing this game for years it's only happened to me once. But, it occurred for no apparent reason, and having nothing to do with using the Alt-Tab keystrokes. I was submerged with no other ships present, but on surfacing the Co2 level kept increasing.

Besides Armistead, I thought you posted??:

Not sure what you mean, CO2 developes in a sub the longer you stay down, but I know you know this. Historically, the longer you stay under, the more it builds up, so not sure what you mean. I know what the bug is, what I'm simply saying is without the bug I've never come close to being held down to where CO2 reached even 50%. It's really a mute issue in the game. Obvious if you get the bug, doesn't matter if you're surfaced or submerged. I think in game it's set for 48 hours. I simply said if it bothers someone and you don't care about it's function, disable it and you won't have to worry about it. Not like you're gonna be held down 48 hours in the game.

If I'm working on my PC and playing the game and need to tab out a lot, I disable it, if not, I leave it on, but thanks for keeping up with my post...