Fiurst SOPA, then PIPA, now they are trying with CISPA.

[Bubblehead1980]

Once again, our government is out of control.They could not get SOPA or PIPA into law, so now they are trying again with CISPA. Just amazes me, the audacity of our "representatives" to pass such laws, both Republicans and Democrats.Spread the word, let's stop this before it's too late.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...-passes-cispa/

[yubba]

yep, why ain't I suprised that Mike Rogers { R-Michigan} is involved with this, after what is going on in Michigan, seems that the state thinks it can come on your property with out a warrant and destroy your livestock, under the guise of the feral pig act or the so called invasive speices act. An animal that is in a pen is not feral. http://www.prisonplanet.com/hogwash-...-michigan.html now I see why the government wants to control the net, my how the news or the word gets around. Just remember, can't be a communist and allow sites like this !!!!! Long live Subsim . com
If I lived in Michigan I'd be cookin pork till, bacon bits fall out of the sky.

now I see why the government wants to control the net, my how the news or the word gets around.

This couldn't be any better.
The crazy conspiracy theorist Alex Jones repeating some story about the evil americans taken directly from the Kremlims propoganda office.
Thanks yubba

[Bubblehead1980]

Tribes, you are okay with CISPA?

No, it is ill defined, lacking safguards and oversight, it also would appear that it is some big business interests who have had a lot of problems with their illegal practices getting exposed that are pushing for this bill.

But don't worry, your president has said he will veto it.

[soopaman2]

It is funny how critisized China is for the "great firewall" they have. For the purpose of people control.

And the firewall corporate interests want to institute. For the purpose of people control.

No one can ever bash Socialism in it's worst extreme. As capitalism (fascism) in it worst extreme is just as bad. Just look at what the banks do, privatize the profits, and socialize the losses, look at how our health insurance companies jacked prices of American healthcare to near unsustainable levels for anyone who makes less than 25k. Don't get sick and be poor, you will be fired for missing work, then dropped from coverage because you got cancer. (most likely from something toxic the food companies put in your food, or underegulation of your drinking water by constant funding nuking of the the FDA or EPA).

Info is king, the "arab spring" started over the internet, and it scared the powers that be here, hence all the legislation to turn us into China in recent times.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

No, it is ill defined, lacking safguards and oversight, it also would appear that it is some big business interests who have had a lot of problems with their illegal practices getting exposed that are pushing for this bill.

But don't worry, your president has said he will veto it.

I will be shocked if he actually does, claimed he woulld veto the NDAA also However, if he does veto this, sure it will be an election year thing not a veto because he realizes it is wrong.Anyways, glad to see you're on the correct side of the issue.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I will be shocked if he actually does, claimed he woulld veto the NDAA also However, if he does veto this, sure it will be an election year thing not a veto because he realizes it is wrong.Anyways, glad to see you're on the correct side of the issue.

If he doesn't veto it, you can say hello to Mitt Romney (I am sure you are rooting for it now (** lighthearted Teasing**)

The previous "versions" of this bill, caught massive strife from voters beforehand and were nuked before they even got too far.

Gives me faith that the people (somewhat) still control this beautiful thing of ours.

From a political maneuvering point of view, a very bad bill to put up in an election year.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

It is funny how critisized China is for the "great firewall" they have. For the purpose of people control.

And the firewall corporate interests want to institute. For the purpose of people control.

No one can ever bash Socialism in it's worst extreme. As capitalism (fascism) in it worst extreme is just as bad. Just look at what the banks do, privatize the profits, and socialize the losses, look at how our health insurance companies jacked prices of American healthcare to near unsustainable levels for anyone who makes less than 25k. Don't get sick and be poor, you will be fired for missing work, then dropped from coverage because you got cancer. (most likely from something toxic the food companies put in your food, or underegulation of your drinking water by constant funding nuking of the the FDA or EPA).

Info is king, the "arab spring" started over the internet, and it scared the powers that be here, hence all the legislation to turn us into China in recent times.

Eh, where to begin? First, capitalism is not fascism! Second, I agree the losses should not fall on the taxpayer, but that is an example of the GOVERNMENT stepping in where it does not belong.Wall Street could not make someone intervene, they asked because well they needed money, but the government chose to bail them out because the people in charge(both Bush and Obama) have a fouled up idea about the role of government.The Government made loans that will never be paid back in full to be honest.Banks etc are businesses and are not going to to turn down the funds to keep their business going, sorry.Now, if we had leadership who said no, then they would have went under or found a way via bankruptcy etc to save and cover their asses.This was not tried, because Uncle Same just wrote some checks.

Health Insurance is a business that sells a product, unfortunately it is a necessity in this country but the majority of americans have it.Rising costs? Well you can blame Obamacare for that, it has caused premiums to rise already and will continue to if fully implemented.I mean these idiots tried to sell this a cost lowering bill but it has new taxes on medical equipment etc, which insurance companies pay for, which hospitals, doctors offices etc purchase, guess who the cost gets passed on to? the CONSUMER/PATIENT. There is also crap in there such as "nurisng workforce diversity grants" are you kidding me? Just a colossal waste of money all throughout that bill.I have read the bill, every bit of it, did a while back, it's just a crappy law.Blame the government, they are the culprits in healthcare.Most people who make under 25K can not afford anything other than basic essentials and a simple solution, if they really wanted to help everyone, would make medicaid available to everyone who wants it and can not afford regular insurance.Of course it would require proper funding but that would be simple.Healthcare for the current powers that be is about control, not health.

I agree there should be better protections for people who get sick as far as employment goes, esp those on the lower end of the totem pole but have to be fair to both sides.

I won't even touch the food supply toxic remark, not doubt there are things we eat that are bad, such as nitrates used in processed meats etc and wish could ban them but the info is out there, it's our choice to consume them or not.I personally do my best to avoid processed foods, but it is tough.Moderation is key.

I agree, the Arab spring did startle the politicians here and thus why some are trying to put mechanisms in place to nip any kind of "American Spring" in the bud.Obama claims he will veto CISPA, we shall see as he claimed he would veto the NDAA. Maybe being campaign time he will veto it for now, with a wink and a nod that if he gets reelected, he will sign it.A second term is going to be even more of a hell for the constitutional rights of us all if he is President again.

[soopaman2]

My capitalism and fascism comment was simply showing 2 extreme sides to contrast against one another. Both suck, we need a happy medium.

Sorry but I drink with the guy who pays my health insurance , and it has been too high long before Obamacare.

Mind you if single payer (like Romneys plan when Governor) got through as the president intended it would have crippled the healthcare insurers ability to gouge us, so it was blocked by our congressional interests who need, insurance and bank cashola to be re-elected. Lobbies broke the Obamacare bill, not the president.

To put it all on Obama is unfair, and inaccurate.

As for our food supply?

Pink slime controversy? Ammonia is ok in your chow.


Other than that we feel the same way.
I am just more suspect of anyone who tells me all is well, while taking someones money and making it not well.

Both suck, we need a happy medium.

You are asking for trouble, asking for a mixed economy opens you to rants about you being a communist by some people on this forum.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Eh, where to begin? First, capitalism is not fascism! Second, I agree the losses should not fall on the taxpayer, but that is an example of the GOVERNMENT stepping in where it does not belong.Wall Street could not make someone intervene, they asked because well they needed money, but the government chose to bail them out because the people in charge(both Bush and Obama) have a fouled up idea about the role of government.The Government made loans that will never be paid back in full to be honest.Banks etc are businesses and are not going to to turn down the funds to keep their business going, sorry.Now, if we had leadership who said no, then they would have went under or found a way via bankruptcy etc to save and cover their asses.This was not tried, because Uncle Same just wrote some checks.

Health Insurance is a business that sells a product, unfortunately it is a necessity in this country but the majority of americans have it.Rising costs? Well you can blame Obamacare for that, it has caused premiums to rise already and will continue to if fully implemented.I mean these idiots tried to sell this a cost lowering bill but it has new taxes on medical equipment etc, which insurance companies pay for, which hospitals, doctors offices etc purchase, guess who the cost gets passed on to? the CONSUMER/PATIENT. There is also crap in there such as "nurisng workforce diversity grants" are you kidding me? Just a colossal waste of money all throughout that bill.I have read the bill, every bit of it, did a while back, it's just a crappy law.Blame the government, they are the culprits in healthcare.Most people who make under 25K can not afford anything other than basic essentials and a simple solution, if they really wanted to help everyone, would make medicaid available to everyone who wants it and can not afford regular insurance.Of course it would require proper funding but that would be simple.Healthcare for the current powers that be is about control, not health.

I agree there should be better protections for people who get sick as far as employment goes, esp those on the lower end of the totem pole but have to be fair to both sides.

I won't even touch the food supply toxic remark, not doubt there are things we eat that are bad, such as nitrates used in processed meats etc and wish could ban them but the info is out there, it's our choice to consume them or not.I personally do my best to avoid processed foods, but it is tough.Moderation is key.

I agree, the Arab spring did startle the politicians here and thus why some are trying to put mechanisms in place to nip any kind of "American Spring" in the bud.Obama claims he will veto CISPA, we shall say as he claimed he would veto the NDAA. Maybe being campaign time he will veto it for now, with a wink and a nod that if he gets reelected, he will sing it.A second term is going to be even more of a hell for the constitutional rights of us all if he is President again.

This, Bubblehead, is exactly how you should argue your point. You didn't belittle those in disagreement. You didn't use any inflamatory language. You simply stated your point, much of which makes perfect sense. Here, you look good; you look educated and knowledgeable, which you are. It is a textbook example of good posting and if we had a like feature on this forum, you would have my upvote.

Keep it up. I like new Bubblehead.

[Takeda Shingen]

Double post. First ever.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

However, if he does veto this, sure it will be an election year thing not a veto because he realizes it is wrong.

And you know this for a fact how?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Double post. First ever.

Oh crud. Now I have to look back through twelve years of archives to see if it's true.