So sh3/4 style Crew managment is not possible?

oscar19681 · 10-10-11, 01:15 PM

I heard rumors that we are stuck with the horrible crew managment in sh-5 and that it is virtually impossible to mod it into a sh3/4 stile crew managment. That would totally suck!! The sh5 crew managemnt is one of the biggest epic failures the game has..

Philipp_Thomsen · 10-10-11, 03:43 PM

Tell me about it. From someone that came directly from Sh3 to Sh5, I feel like a blind man in a crossfire.

Talking to the crew to make them do their job better? WTF were the devs thinking? This is simulation, not RPG.

SH3 crew management system and damage management system was perfect, nothing to put or to take off. And in my dictionary, you don't modify a team that is winning.

Sailor Steve · 10-10-11, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

SH3 crew management system and damage management system was perfect, nothing to put or to take off.

I disagree. SH3 required you to move the men around yourself or shut it off. That's actually pretty bad. SH4 fixed it, and it was near perfect.

FinnN · 10-10-11, 05:11 PM

I have to agree, SH3 crew management was shockingly bad after the initial novelty wore off...

kylania · 10-10-11, 06:57 PM

I kinda like the little dudes. I really got to know and get attached to them. SH4's didn't have that level of interactivity to it and I never got to know any individual names.

SH5's is.. well, SH5. heh

Sailor Steve · 10-10-11, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylania

I kinda like the little dudes. I really got to know and get attached to them. SH4's didn't have that level of interactivity to it and I never got to know any individual names.

That's true too. If they'd just take care of themselves...

SH4 needs the Commander touch. Having an unlimited database for names would help. And some randomized officer's faces. And some...

Let's face it - none of them is perfect. Mayby someday. *sigh*

Rongel · 10-11-11, 05:09 AM

I think that this issue is the biggest flaw compared SH 5 to previous entries. Actually SH 5 doesn't have a crappy crew management, it has no crew management. When playing the game, I usually forget this and it doesn't bother me. But if SH 5 had somekind of management system it would be pretty close to being just awesome subsim.

I really hope that someday one of the big guys gets time to look into this. I would be satisfied with relatively little: name, and picture of every crew member and list of their jobs. And most importantly: they must be able to be injured or even killed. And when this happens, the effectiveness (and morale?) of the crew is reduced.

If this would be possible someday, I would be a really happy sailor!

urfisch · 10-11-11, 07:17 AM

finally another guy, who is really pissed off by sh5 crew "management"...i sign strongly on that. i guess tdw was the guy, who said its not possible to change the crew management. but this was about 6 month ago...maybe things have changed? as steve said, the best and most realistic management was in sh4.

i dont know. but not having a crew roster is one of the epic fails in sh5. yes...it sucks.

U-Falke · 10-11-11, 09:32 AM

Hello there,
Dont mean to interrupt the discussion, but I would like to show my opinion.

SH3 management in my opinion is better, because I like micromanagement.
It turns the game more challenging when you face a long period of action.
And allows you to build the crew the way you want.

I dont dislike SH5 style, but it`s not my favorite.

oscar19681 · 10-11-11, 02:43 PM

I think the sh-5 style crew management is to arcady , way to arcady. It just doesnt feel like i,m dealing with a crew . It feels more like i,m dealing with some arcade characters that i can "upgrade" insted of train. I come to live with it but i still hate it..

THE_MASK · 10-11-11, 03:25 PM

I still dont know what this value means and how it affects my crew .
[UserPlayerUnit 1.Compartment 1.CrewMemberSlot 1.CrewMember]
ID=Crew-Jr-NCO-Rank-1-Torpedo
NameDisplayable=Kurt Faust
CrewMemberNameIDLinks=NULL
DateOfBirth=1941-12-07 00:00:00
Head=5
Voice=0
Tatoo=0
Rank=Jr-NCO-Rank-1
CurrentExperience=476.076843
SpecialAbilities=Ability-Active-Preheat-Torpedo,-1,Ability-Active-Overcharge-Torpedo,-1,Ability-Active-Overcharge-Torpedo,1,Ability-Active-Preheat-Torpedo,1
SpecialAbilityTimers=10000000000,10000000000,12866 ,10000000000
SpecialAbilityDurations=86400,86400,86400,86400
SpecialAbilityOldDurations=0,0,0,0
SpecialAbilityCooldowns=0,0,0,0
SpecialAbilityOldCooldowns=0,0,0,0
Morale=5.927249
MoralePool=5.000000
PointsInvestedIn=0
Medals=
Patrols=1
Notes=
Hitpoints=5.000000
RenownCost=250.000000
Health=1.000000
CurrentStatus=ASLEEP
Efficiency=1.000000
PotentialEfficiency=1.000000
HumanEfficiency=1.000000
Damage=0.000000
DamageHitpointsConsumed=0.000000
RemainingRepairTime=0000-00-00 00:00:00
CurrentActivities=1
DamageDescription1=NULL,0,0.2,1,Minor Wound,NULL,0.2,0.3,3.10619
DamageDescription2=NULL,0,0.2,1,It's just a scratch,NULL,0.05,0.1,0.876328
DamageDescription3=NULL,0.2,0.5,1,Broken Arm,HumanDamageArmwound,0.6,0.5,306.043
DamageDescription4=NULL,0.4,0.8,0.1,Liver wound,HumanDamageArmwound,1,0.7,160.312
DamageDescription5=NULL,0.6,1,1,Sucking chest wound,HumanDamageLegWound,1,0.8,715.051
Selected=false

oscar19681 · 10-18-11, 10:30 AM

Cant you ask some of the sh-5 devs via pm?

Rongel · 10-29-11, 07:47 AM

Thought popped to my mind...

When the sub is taking heavy damage, sometimes you get "MEDIIIC!"-text in the message box. In SH 4 this meant that the crew is injured, if I'm not mistaken. Now, in SH 5 the officers can also be injured, but the medic-text isn't related to this. Officers usually get injured really easily, but there is no report of this in the message box.

So my question is that is there a working crew health system running in the background? Is my invisible crew getting injured when the "MEDIIC!"-text appears? There is lots of stuff from the earlier games in the data folder that seem to be just leftovers, could the crew health system actually work?

If we only could get the crew page to appear...

10-10-11, 01:15 PM	#1
oscar19681 Admiral Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	So sh3/4 style Crew managment is not possible? I heard rumors that we are stuck with the horrible crew managment in sh-5 and that it is virtually impossible to mod it into a sh3/4 stile crew managment. That would totally suck!! The sh5 crew managemnt is one of the biggest epic failures the game has.. __________________ we live we die but death does not ends it. Jim Morrison 1943-1971

10-10-11, 03:43 PM	#2
Philipp_Thomsen Old Gang Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Drunk at the whorehouse Posts: 2,278 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Tell me about it. From someone that came directly from Sh3 to Sh5, I feel like a blind man in a crossfire. Talking to the crew to make them do their job better? WTF were the devs thinking? This is simulation, not RPG. SH3 crew management system and damage management system was perfect, nothing to put or to take off. And in my dictionary, you don't modify a team that is winning. __________________ To each his own

10-10-11, 06:57 PM	#5
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	I kinda like the little dudes. I really got to know and get attached to them. SH4's didn't have that level of interactivity to it and I never got to know any individual names. SH5's is.. well, SH5. heh __________________

10-11-11, 07:17 AM	#8
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	finally another guy, who is really pissed off by sh5 crew "management"...i sign strongly on that. i guess tdw was the guy, who said its not possible to change the crew management. but this was about 6 month ago...maybe things have changed? as steve said, the best and most realistic management was in sh4. i dont know. but not having a crew roster is one of the epic fails in sh5. yes...it sucks. __________________

10-11-11, 02:43 PM	#10
oscar19681 Admiral Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	I think the sh-5 style crew management is to arcady , way to arcady. It just doesnt feel like i,m dealing with a crew . It feels more like i,m dealing with some arcade characters that i can "upgrade" insted of train. I come to live with it but i still hate it.. __________________ we live we die but death does not ends it. Jim Morrison 1943-1971

10-10-11, 05:11 PM	#4
FinnN Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Posts: 14 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I have to agree, SH3 crew management was shockingly bad after the initial novelty wore off...

10-11-11, 05:09 AM	#7
Rongel Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 859 Downloads: 174 Uploads: 0	I think that this issue is the biggest flaw compared SH 5 to previous entries. Actually SH 5 doesn't have a crappy crew management, it has no crew management. When playing the game, I usually forget this and it doesn't bother me. But if SH 5 had somekind of management system it would be pretty close to being just awesome subsim. I really hope that someday one of the big guys gets time to look into this. I would be satisfied with relatively little: name, and picture of every crew member and list of their jobs. And most importantly: they must be able to be injured or even killed. And when this happens, the effectiveness (and morale?) of the crew is reduced. If this would be possible someday, I would be a really happy sailor!

10-11-11, 09:32 AM	#9
U-Falke Gunner Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 92 Downloads: 227 Uploads: 0	Hello there, Dont mean to interrupt the discussion, but I would like to show my opinion. SH3 management in my opinion is better, because I like micromanagement. It turns the game more challenging when you face a long period of action. And allows you to build the crew the way you want. I dont dislike SH5 style, but it`s not my favorite.

10-11-11, 03:25 PM	#11
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	I still dont know what this value means and how it affects my crew . [UserPlayerUnit 1.Compartment 1.CrewMemberSlot 1.CrewMember] ID=Crew-Jr-NCO-Rank-1-Torpedo NameDisplayable=Kurt Faust CrewMemberNameIDLinks=NULL DateOfBirth=1941-12-07 00:00:00 Head=5 Voice=0 Tatoo=0 Rank=Jr-NCO-Rank-1 CurrentExperience=476.076843 SpecialAbilities=Ability-Active-Preheat-Torpedo,-1,Ability-Active-Overcharge-Torpedo,-1,Ability-Active-Overcharge-Torpedo,1,Ability-Active-Preheat-Torpedo,1 SpecialAbilityTimers=10000000000,10000000000,12866 ,10000000000 SpecialAbilityDurations=86400,86400,86400,86400 SpecialAbilityOldDurations=0,0,0,0 SpecialAbilityCooldowns=0,0,0,0 SpecialAbilityOldCooldowns=0,0,0,0 Morale=5.927249 MoralePool=5.000000 PointsInvestedIn=0 Medals= Patrols=1 Notes= Hitpoints=5.000000 RenownCost=250.000000 Health=1.000000 CurrentStatus=ASLEEP Efficiency=1.000000 PotentialEfficiency=1.000000 HumanEfficiency=1.000000 Damage=0.000000 DamageHitpointsConsumed=0.000000 RemainingRepairTime=0000-00-00 00:00:00 CurrentActivities=1 DamageDescription1=NULL,0,0.2,1,Minor Wound,NULL,0.2,0.3,3.10619 DamageDescription2=NULL,0,0.2,1,It's just a scratch,NULL,0.05,0.1,0.876328 DamageDescription3=NULL,0.2,0.5,1,Broken Arm,HumanDamageArmwound,0.6,0.5,306.043 DamageDescription4=NULL,0.4,0.8,0.1,Liver wound,HumanDamageArmwound,1,0.7,160.312 DamageDescription5=NULL,0.6,1,1,Sucking chest wound,HumanDamageLegWound,1,0.8,715.051 Selected=false

10-18-11, 10:30 AM	#12
oscar19681 Admiral Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	Cant you ask some of the sh-5 devs via pm? __________________ we live we die but death does not ends it. Jim Morrison 1943-1971

10-29-11, 07:47 AM	#13
Rongel Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 859 Downloads: 174 Uploads: 0	Thought popped to my mind... When the sub is taking heavy damage, sometimes you get "MEDIIIC!"-text in the message box. In SH 4 this meant that the crew is injured, if I'm not mistaken. Now, in SH 5 the officers can also be injured, but the medic-text isn't related to this. Officers usually get injured really easily, but there is no report of this in the message box. So my question is that is there a working crew health system running in the background? Is my invisible crew getting injured when the "MEDIIC!"-text appears? There is lots of stuff from the earlier games in the data folder that seem to be just leftovers, could the crew health system actually work? If we only could get the crew page to appear...

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