hogans ally

kjuice · 03-02-10, 08:39 AM

what is hogans ally, what is it for?

AVGWarhawk · 03-02-10, 09:04 AM

It was found that leaving your crew like the watch in their present stations during DC attack can get the men injured. The only way to prevent them from getting injured is move them to Hogans alley when under DC attack. After all, they are not on the bridge at 300 feet correct? Same goes for your men who man the cannon. Cannon gets whacked by a DC your men in the cannon slots get injured or dead. So you manually move them to Hogans alley. It is a bit of a pain but effective in keeping your men alive under DC attack. Remember to move them back to their proper position when you surface!

Frenssen's Farts · 03-02-10, 05:30 PM

Does it affect the watch? I don't think I've experienced that.

What I've observed is that basically if you have all battle stations manned (deck gun and AA) and dive even though the graphics do not show the crew there the computer still thinks they are and those guys are the first to die in a depth charge attack.

Hogan's ally makes it so you can put those guys somewhere safe. Now you can click the "man your battle stations button" and even though your underwater the computer won't think the guns are manned.

The alternative is to not man battle stations underwater and thus the deck guns won't be manned. However, that means the crew won't be as efficient at all their other tasks.

I'm not presenting myself as the definitive source on this. Just stating what I've observed.

RFB Team · 03-02-10, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjuice

what is hogans ally, what is it for?

It's explained in the manual.

Ducimus · 03-02-10, 07:26 PM

Just FYI, TMO's use of Hogan's alley differs from RFB's implentation of it. In TMO it's more of a place to stash personnel you don't need all the time so they don't get killed, like gun crews, or the damage control team if you don't like looking at them everytime you call GQ. Also the alley in TMO has no bearing or relevance to the watch crew. Which is a point of confusion if im not mistaken.

dougdrvr · 03-04-10, 09:02 AM

But where is it? Is it an additional compartment on the crew management page?
I'm running SHIV 1.5 with TMO1.7wTw

Morpheus · 03-04-10, 11:11 AM

Ducimus. Is it common that the dud rate of torpedoes is that high in TMO 1.8? What i experienced the last days, 6 out of 6 torpedos where a dud. Playing SH4 1.5 with TMO1.8 - 1942 - Mark14. Tried both magnetic and impact detonator ...

Ducimus · 03-04-10, 08:38 PM

Yeah pretty much. I think you got a bad run though. Sometimes the game randomly decides to work overtime at duds. Other times, not so much. In TMO, weather is a HUGE decided on what pistol to use. If weather is calm, use magnetic. If weather is rough, use impact. Your odds of landing a hit that will explode in rough weather however, is not very good, but at least it wont premature before it gets there.

Morpheus · 03-05-10, 12:08 PM

Thanks for your answer master Ducimus

Will have another try, btw. the weather in my described scenario WAS rough...

br morph

Edit: P.S. does the game (and/or TMO) consider the angel of impact. I am referring to the impact igniter issue, what i think the earlier mark14 torpedoes had? If yes, i would rather go for 45-75 degree angels of impact, rather than a straight 90 degree hit.

br morph

TheBeast · 03-10-10, 05:27 PM

Let me see if I understand this correctly...

Hogan's Alley is basically the passage way that runs from bow to stern down the centerline of the boat away from the outter preasure hull and bulkheads. This is where any crew not manning a station would go when expecting or experiencing a Depth Charge attack?

-TheBeast

Ducimus · 03-10-10, 06:12 PM

Hogans Alley

nikimcbee · 05-31-10, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBeast

Let me see if I understand this correctly...

Hogan's Alley is basically the passage way that runs from bow to stern down the centerline of the boat away from the outter preasure hull and bulkheads. This is where any crew not manning a station would go when expecting or experiencing a Depth Charge attack?

-TheBeast

that's interesting to know. I was wondering what this was for.

fastfed · 10-03-10, 01:54 AM

WOW! i am a moron! I havent played SH4 in so long and now for a week or so , just getting back into it.. I have TMO and RSRD as mods and I didn't have a clue what hogans alley was for, so I filled up the slots with men while in port..

Is there a way to remove the men when I dock again? I am not getting a boat upgrade either, I hope its just because of my crappy patrol numbers and not because I have to much crew.

??
THANKS

Armistead · 10-03-10, 02:19 AM

Hogans Alley is just a place to store crew. Basically made to deal with a bug that can't be fixed. If you leave your men on deck or AA guns while dived the game still see's them outside of the sub, so a charge easily kills them. It doesn't harm a thing to fill it up if you want.

For sure while in port look at the stat numbers, why not get the highest rating men you can and trade them out. They're some good mechs in port.
I go ahead and fill my damage crew compartment why at port, then fill the alley except for a few spots so I can move men around.

Just drag them over to the left where the men are why in port to get rid of them, same as you drag men to your boat.

fastfed · 10-03-10, 12:37 PM

I really think I am cruising around in an S-boat.. I totally forget now and looking online for what class boat I have..

I only have 4 tubes in the front.. everything is telling me its an S-class but I cannot tell for sure..

03-02-10, 08:39 AM	#1
kjuice Seaman Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 38 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	hogans ally what is hogans ally, what is it for? __________________

03-02-10, 09:04 AM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	It was found that leaving your crew like the watch in their present stations during DC attack can get the men injured. The only way to prevent them from getting injured is move them to Hogans alley when under DC attack. After all, they are not on the bridge at 300 feet correct? Same goes for your men who man the cannon. Cannon gets whacked by a DC your men in the cannon slots get injured or dead. So you manually move them to Hogans alley. It is a bit of a pain but effective in keeping your men alive under DC attack. Remember to move them back to their proper position when you surface! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-04-10, 11:11 AM	#7
Morpheus Ensign Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 234 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Ducimus. Is it common that the dud rate of torpedoes is that high in TMO 1.8? What i experienced the last days, 6 out of 6 torpedos where a dud. Playing SH4 1.5 with TMO1.8 - 1942 - Mark14. Tried both magnetic and impact detonator ... Last edited by Morpheus; 03-04-10 at 03:40 PM.

03-10-10, 05:27 PM	#10
TheBeast The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Lynnwood, WA Posts: 1,533 Downloads: 886 Uploads: 23	Let me see if I understand this correctly... Hogan's Alley is basically the passage way that runs from bow to stern down the centerline of the boat away from the outter preasure hull and bulkheads. This is where any crew not manning a station would go when expecting or experiencing a Depth Charge attack? -TheBeast __________________ Fear me! I am, TheBeastBelow SHIV-MediaFire \| SHV-MediaFire Last edited by TheBeast; 03-10-10 at 05:39 PM.

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03-02-10, 05:30 PM	#3
Frenssen's Farts Swabbie Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 12 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Does it affect the watch? I don't think I've experienced that. What I've observed is that basically if you have all battle stations manned (deck gun and AA) and dive even though the graphics do not show the crew there the computer still thinks they are and those guys are the first to die in a depth charge attack. Hogan's ally makes it so you can put those guys somewhere safe. Now you can click the "man your battle stations button" and even though your underwater the computer won't think the guns are manned. The alternative is to not man battle stations underwater and thus the deck guns won't be manned. However, that means the crew won't be as efficient at all their other tasks. I'm not presenting myself as the definitive source on this. Just stating what I've observed.

03-02-10, 07:26 PM	#5
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Just FYI, TMO's use of Hogan's alley differs from RFB's implentation of it. In TMO it's more of a place to stash personnel you don't need all the time so they don't get killed, like gun crews, or the damage control team if you don't like looking at them everytime you call GQ. Also the alley in TMO has no bearing or relevance to the watch crew. Which is a point of confusion if im not mistaken.

03-04-10, 09:02 AM	#6
dougdrvr Swabbie Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 12 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	But where is it? Is it an additional compartment on the crew management page? I'm running SHIV 1.5 with TMO1.7wTw

03-04-10, 08:38 PM	#8
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Yeah pretty much. I think you got a bad run though. Sometimes the game randomly decides to work overtime at duds. Other times, not so much. In TMO, weather is a HUGE decided on what pistol to use. If weather is calm, use magnetic. If weather is rough, use impact. Your odds of landing a hit that will explode in rough weather however, is not very good, but at least it wont premature before it gets there.

03-05-10, 12:08 PM	#9
Morpheus Ensign Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 234 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Thanks for your answer master Ducimus Will have another try, btw. the weather in my described scenario WAS rough... br morph Edit: P.S. does the game (and/or TMO) consider the angel of impact. I am referring to the impact igniter issue, what i think the earlier mark14 torpedoes had? If yes, i would rather go for 45-75 degree angels of impact, rather than a straight 90 degree hit. br morph

03-10-10, 06:12 PM	#11
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Hogans Alley

10-03-10, 01:54 AM	#13
fastfed Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 786 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	WOW! i am a moron! I havent played SH4 in so long and now for a week or so , just getting back into it.. I have TMO and RSRD as mods and I didn't have a clue what hogans alley was for, so I filled up the slots with men while in port.. Is there a way to remove the men when I dock again? I am not getting a boat upgrade either, I hope its just because of my crappy patrol numbers and not because I have to much crew. ?? THANKS

10-03-10, 02:19 AM	#14
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Hogans Alley is just a place to store crew. Basically made to deal with a bug that can't be fixed. If you leave your men on deck or AA guns while dived the game still see's them outside of the sub, so a charge easily kills them. It doesn't harm a thing to fill it up if you want. For sure while in port look at the stat numbers, why not get the highest rating men you can and trade them out. They're some good mechs in port. I go ahead and fill my damage crew compartment why at port, then fill the alley except for a few spots so I can move men around. Just drag them over to the left where the men are why in port to get rid of them, same as you drag men to your boat.

10-03-10, 12:37 PM	#15
fastfed Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 786 Downloads: 254 Uploads: 0	I really think I am cruising around in an S-boat.. I totally forget now and looking online for what class boat I have.. I only have 4 tubes in the front.. everything is telling me its an S-class but I cannot tell for sure..