[REL] Alternate Campaign Ending Screens

[kylania]

Some members of the community had expressed concerns about the perceived glorification of the current Major and Minor German victory campaign ending screens. This mod attempts to alleviate that perception by replacing both ending screens with this less political one:




Download: http://www.filefront.com/16208687/Al...ingScreen.zip/

[ReallyDedPoet]

Nice work here
Now if I could only get to the end of a career

[conus00]

I don't see anything wrong with the original files. As a matter of fact they kinda flow with all the "motivational" posters of that era...

[kylania]

Others felt quite strongly about them in many ways. This mod was just an attempt to offer an alternative for some. One guy even listed the original ending screens as a reason to uninstall SH5. Now he doesn't have to.

[conus00]

Oh, I missed that thread completely.
Well, to each his own. I, for one, couldn't care less about the "flags and glorification of the Third Reich".

I guess some people are too sensitive. I'm not.

[Ducimus]

It's not about sensitivty, its about keeping perspective.

But here is a chellenge for you. If you don't think theres anything wrong with that one end screen, or symbolism of the time period, then I DARE YOU to fly a swaztika outside your house, and play music from the reich really loudy out the window. And to the first person or phone call you get, tell them your a historical renactor, and see how far that gets you in the real world with real people.

edit:

Originally Posted by conus00

Oh, I missed that thread completely.
Well, to each his own. I, for one, couldn't care less about the "flags and glorification of the Third Reich".

I guess some people are too sensitive. I'm not.

Yes, some of us know that. Your the one who orginally had the signiture of themselves as the happy nazi. For the record, i didn't petition to have that sybmolsim removed , but i do think you have a love of the regiem.

edit:

Originally Posted by conus00

I don't see anything wrong with the original files. As a matter of fact they kinda flow with all the "motivational" posters of that era...

OK.. enjoy your "motivational" posters.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters1.htm
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters2.htm

Feeling motivated yet? No?




How about now?

[kylania]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

It's not about sensitivty, its about keeping perspective. ... I DARE YOU

I made this mod specifically for you and anyone that felt the same as you.

Speaking of perspective though, there's a huge difference between a toned down Nazieqsue ending screen in a video game and what you're daring people to do. To compare that single image to being a Neo-Nazi in real life or even contemplating that the image could in any way lead to Holocaust denial (as that thread turned to) is probably the most ludicrous idea I've read on these forums.

I made this mod so that you wouldn't feel as uncomfortable about an in game subject you seem to be extremely passionate about, in return you told me to be a Neo-Nazi for a day. Fair enough. I afraid I can't fully understand your point of view to the lengths that you have taken it, but please try to accept this mod in the spirit in which it was created. No offense to you or any one or any group affected by history was meant.

[Ducimus]

Im pissed at two things in this thread

Your subtle jabs (perceived my ass!) and Conus's ignorance.

[robbo180265]

Overreaction

intr.v., -act·ed, -act·ing, -acts.
To react with unnecessary or inappropriate force, emotional display, or violence.

overreaction o'ver·re·ac'tion n.
overreactive o'ver·re·ac'tive adj.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

Overreaction

intr.v., -act·ed, -act·ing, -acts.
To react with unnecessary or inappropriate force, emotional display, or violence.

overreaction o'ver·re·ac'tion n.
overreactive o'ver·re·ac'tive adj.

Considering people seem to think things like this is apporpiate and OK


I think not. That particular flag was embellished with the nazi eagle. So that user went the extra mile. Conus has been known to go the same distance. It is really not neccessary, is in poor taste, and reflects poorly on the community as a whole.

Then i consider the use of the world "percieved" in the original post. What kylania is implying is
- he doesn't think there is anything wrong with this. I raise these points here and here to the contrary.
- he is at the same time, discrediting other view points which are entirely valid. To say something is "percieved" is to say it has no validity or basis.
- is in effect saying, "here you go, STFU", only on the sly and subtle.

I take issue with that. There really was no need for subtle jabs.

I'll leave it at that, ive spoken my mind, and there is nothing more to say.

[kylania]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Then i consider the use of the world "percieved" in the original post. What kylania is implying is
- he doesn't think there is anything wrong with this. I raise these points here and here to the contrary.

I don't. It's a picture in a computer game. Just like I don't think there's anything wrong with the pictures of the medals in game or the Kreigsmarine posters on all the walls. Nor do I think someone with a swastika in their signature is a Nazi or supports the Nazi party or anything they did, in the context of this forum and game. If that signature was on Stormfront, sure maybe that does mean he's a Nazi, but not here.

Even though I don't agree with your point of view the first thing I did was try to help you avoid having to see the image. In return, I get... this...

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I - he is at the same time, discrediting other view points which are entirely valid. To say something is "percieved" is to say it has no validity or basis.
- is in effect saying, "here you go, STFU", only on the sly and subtle.

(n) perception (a way of conceiving something) "Luther had a new perception of the Bible"

No, when I said "perceived" it meant that I was trying to keep things neutral, as in some people viewed the image one way while others viewed it another way. I was trying not to give credit to either viewpoint, since both are valid to those who view them that way.

You, and others, perceive that image is offensive. I, and others, don't perceive it to be. Everyone sees what they want to in that picture. I see an image that's meant to represent a victory for the German Navy in a computer simulation game. You see Holocaust denial and Neo-Nazi recruitment and glorification of Nazi symbolism. That's just something you're going to have to deal with, but don't take your anger and try to convince yourself I was telling you to shut up and go away. That's entirely incorrect and rather insulting.

[conus00]

@ Ducimus
I have no idea what got into you and I almost feel that it is below me to respond to the pointless accusation of you pretty much calling me a neo-nazi and ignorant but let me try...

You are setting a judgment on me without even knowing me.
Talking about ignorance.
STRIKE ONE.

I, unlike you, have lived under totalitarian regime (even not as bad as Nazi's Third Reich) for almost half of my life and witnessed firsthand what such a regime can do to people. I hated every day of my adult life of living in such a conditions you can hardly imagine. Yet you call me ignorant and pro-totalitarian regime lover.
Hmmmm.
STRIKE TWO

My signature was created as an exercise in Photoshop and has nothing to do with my beliefs or political affiliation. As a matter off fact I do not see potraying myself as an uboat commander as anything wrong. The same way I have picture of myself wearing RAF uniform in Il-2. I believe that uboat captains were no less heroes than Russian, American or British soldiers. they went to war out of patriotism and because they believed that they were fighting for the right cause. They just happened to be on the loosing side...
BTW comparing my banner and the one posted and accusing me to "be known to go the same distance" is not comparing apples to apples.
STRIKE THREE

I think you are overreacting on a simple issue and, for reason unknown to me, are taking this way too personally. I do not know your background so I will not judge you but, with all respect STOP ATTACKING ME. I have not done anything to you...
I feel like I should report this personal attack to the admins but I am fair guy and will try to reason with you first.
Whatever happened to you today and caused this uncalled for behavior, neither I or kylania are the cause. You might disagree with us but there are more civilized ways how to do it. Calling us "ignorant" and "neo-nazis" is taking it little too far IMO.

Just for reference, and I have said it here on subsim repeatedly, I do not see use of swastika and nazi symbols for historical reasons as anything wrong. If you want to rile against it you may as well attack hammer and sickle. There were huge, if not bigger, numbers of people killed in gulags then in concentration camps yet you don't seem to be too worried about it.

Lastly, so you don't feel that I only disagree with you: YES I consider the banner in your last post offensive and excessive......

[Stevepine]

yeah...Total over reaction.

Should we ban all games with the hammer and sickle then? Stalin killed millions of innocent people as well, yes?

The Americans dropping the nuclear bombs on Japan was pretty damn horrific if you were a Japanese civilian.

So should we ban all games like medal of honor : passific assault which glorify the war in the pacific ?

[ReallyDedPoet]

Personally I don't have an issue with the current in-game ending screens, at least the ones that I have seen. And I am the guy who plays the game without the swastikas, or any other stuff like that. Don't want any part of it, and I am okay with what UBI did in it's place.

We can't take this game to literally, if we did we may as well not even play. When I leave my computer after a session of Silent Hunter 3-5, I don't dawn a U-Boat Commanders\Fleetboat Captain's hat, it's a game and I leave it at that.

But what the series has done is given me a much better appreciation\understanding of naval history in general, an in particular what submariners went through. Yes there were some in the Kriegsmarine who were ardent Nazi's, but the vast majority were not, and just fighting for their country.

[Westbroek]

Aaaaanywhooooo... Thanks for the alternatives Kylania. If, when I finish the game, I am horribly offended, I will install this mod so that the next time I finish (hah hah) I will not be. Cheers, bud.
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