Obama rips pending Arizona immigrant law ! (politics)

[SteamWake]

Such legislation could "threaten to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans," the president said during a naturalization ceremony for members of the United States Armed Services.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36735281

"Fairness" . . How about the immigrants start paying some taxes? That sounds fair to me.

[ivank]

He is an idiot.
Illegal is ILLEGAL!!

[AVGWarhawk]

"Fairness" . . How about the immigrants start paying some taxes? That sounds fair to me.

Agreed.....

[Freiwillige]

Well its now signed into law! Thank goodness.

[ivank]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Well its now signed into law! Thank goodness.

Obama called the Arizona bill "misguided"

It is certainly that.
Wow they are going to have to work out a policy they can use and then retrain all law enforcement officials in how to apply the law without bringing in a pile of lawsuits they would have no chance of winning.
So thats going to be expensive, expensive and very very very expensive.
Isn't it funny that those who seem to be so in favour of this populist knee jerk legislation are those who complain about paying more in taxes.

He is an idiot.
Illegal is ILLEGAL!!

Its the Unabomber again
So ivank, how wise is it to call somone an idiot when you demonstrate that you don't understand the topic or what was said?

[Torvald Von Mansee]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're all white males, and have never been profiled in your lives.

If you're a law abiding American citizen and happen to be Hispanic, would you be annoyed if you constantly got pulled over by the cops just because of how you look?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by ivank

He is an idiot.
Illegal is ILLEGAL!!

correct.

One of the basic responsibilities of the United States Government is to protect national sovereignty through protection of our borders.

This is ONE MORE THING the US Government has failed at miserably...

guess they are too concerned with how much salt is in a bowl of Noodle soup and what kind of light bulbs people buy

The unrelenting march into the abyss continues

ever onward morons!

Oh, raping and pillaging is nonsense....got it. Drugs, murder and other illegal activities such as raping and pillaging is nonsense...got it.

Yes, simple isn't it. If no one is saying all that crap is OK then your statement against it was just nonsense.

No, most people are complaining about human rights....Al Sharpton is heading to AZ to protest for human rights...not that this will not work. Recheck the complaint.

Most people are talking about civil rights, the legality and the constitutionality.
Al Sharpton is certainly not most people, but what did he say?
errrrr ....oh yeah civil rights
organise freedom walkers for civil rights(thats like the freedom riders of the civil rights movement but without buses)
Forcing wrongful arrest by refusing to hand over documentation....thats a civil right as only citizens can really refuse that request and thus be wrongfully arrested
Perhaps you had better recheck yourself.
In fact if you recheck the two topics that deal with this here the only people even mentioning "human rights" are people like yourself.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yes, simple isn't it. If no one is saying all that crap is OK then your statement against it was just nonsense.


Most people are talking about civil rights, the legality and the constitutionality.
Al Sharpton is certainly not most people, but what did he say?
errrrr ....oh yeah civil rights
organise freedom walkers for civil rights(thats like the freedom riders of the civil rights movement but without buses)
Forcing wrongful arrest by refusing to hand over documentation....thats a civil right as only citizens can really refuse that request and thus be wrongfully arrested
Perhaps you had better recheck yourself.
In fact if you recheck the two topics that deal with this here the only people even mentioning "human rights" are people like yourself.

Errrrrr........

[CaptainHaplo]

Argue with a stop sign AVG - its still a stop sign....

As for this - the reality is that it will be so freakin funny if the DOJ comes up and says this is unconstitutional. Because it mirrors federal law! That means that federal immigration law will have to be deemed unconstitutional - and I don't think any career politician wants to go there.

I have no problem with this - but I do think there are better ways to solve the problem. Instead of requiring proof of citizenship/legal immigrant status, what should be done is the following

#1) Deny illegals any form of social safety net through the government. This means no welfare, food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid, etc. Provide proof of legal status, and you get the benefits of the taxpayer funded net.

#2) Require proof of legal residence from parents enrolling children in schoos.

#3) Hold employers accountable - not only with fines, but with imprisonment, for intentional or consistent hiring of illegals, or any lack of due diligence in ascertaining proper legal status. This means if an employer does their job, and an illegal makes it into the workforce, they are not punished, mistakes happen - but when it is a policy - it needs to be hammered down on.

Realize that many illegals do work - but they do so under the table. By not paying taxes, they rob the system. They also avail themselves of the social safety net, taking even further (because they have no "job" - they get significant benefits - while earning money) from the rest of society by double dipping as it were. Then add in the jobs that they have....

12 Million illegals. Pretend only 1/3 of them work for a moment. Now - if all the illegals were not able to collect social net benefits, and couldn't find work, that would be a HUGE burden lifted off the government dole system, as well as would free up 4 Million jobs for the current, legal workers in the country....

Of course, that makes too much sense, so we can't enforce the existing laws and cut off the illegals access to freebies.