Memo to Ubisoft

TDK1044 · 01-22-10, 09:35 AM

Reading through the threads of this Forum, so much could be accomplished if Ubisoft was to give Neal access to a full version of the game NOW.

There is an understandable mixture of disappointment, frustration and anger in the air at the moment, and I believe a lot of that could be significantly reduced by Neal having review access to the latest version of the game.

Come on Ubisoft. You have known Neal for many years. You know that you can trust him. Allow him to do your company a big favor, by addressing the concerns of many here regarding the latest incarnation of a franchise that this Forum has strongly supported over the years.

Let him review the game!

Dowly · 01-22-10, 09:37 AM

What if our fears are found to be true and the game will be crap?

TDK1044 · 01-22-10, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

What if our fears are found to be true and the game will be crap?

Then at least people would know for sure. Right now, all we are getting is negative frustration based on very little hard information regarding the game. Even something as simple as dynamic shadows in the game could be answered once and for all.

I'll bet you that there are some really nice features in the game that we are totally unaware of.

We are stuck with the VII subs and a 1943 finish....for now, but there may be some really nice gems that we are unaware of.

Decoman · 01-22-10, 09:43 AM

I expect money to be deposited magically to my bank account and my refridgerator filled with tasty food, after purchasing SH5.

Also my hair ought to become bigger.

Kapitanleutnant · 01-22-10, 09:44 AM

Dear Ubisoft,

Up your bum.

I remain yours everlastingly
Mr. Sir. Kapitanleutnant Esq. (est.1984)

Dowly · 01-22-10, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

Then at least people would know for sure. Right now, all we are getting is negative frustration based on very little hard information regarding the game. Even something as simple as dynamic shadows in the game could be answered once and for all.

I'll bet you that there are some really nice features in the game that we are totally unaware of.

We are stuck with the VII subs and a 1943 finish....for now, but there may be some really nice gems that we are unaware of.

Well, all game devs tend to keep their mouth shut about their game until it's released. It's part of the marketing strategy, if you dont tell everything about the game, the player must buy the game to find out what it's about. Atleast, I think that's the point of this.

Dowly · 01-22-10, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant

Dear Ubisoft,

Up your bum.

I remain yours everlastingly
Mr. Sir. Kapitanleutnant Esq. (est.1984)

TDK1044 · 01-22-10, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Well, all game devs tend to keep their mouth shut about their game until it's released. It's part of the marketing strategy, if you dont tell everything about the game, the player must buy the game to find out what it's about. Atleast, I think that's the point of this.

You are absolutely right. And I think that for most people, the allure of the game will be too much and they will buy it knowing that it can be modded. But a review from Neal would certainly help the frustration and anger element currently present.

Adriatico · 01-22-10, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

Reading through the threads of this Forum, so much could be accomplished if Ubisoft was to give Neal access to a full version of the game NOW.

How do You expect Ubi to do it NOW: when you have so many "smarteys" on this forum, repeating to us:
- not to judge before actual release
- to wait for instalation on HD before complaining
- not to disturb Devs now, because they are tired
- ...etc.

Ubi wont give us something - if we, as community, do not know clearly what we want !

ReallyDedPoet · 01-22-10, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

the allure of the game will be too much and they will buy it knowing that it can be modded

Regardless of how good or bad the game may be, the difference has always been this, moddability. Not just that folks can tailor the game to their liking, but the fact that it can be modded period to the level it has to this point.

TDK1044 · 01-22-10, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

Regardless of how good or bad the game may be, the difference has always been this, moddability. Not just that folks can tailor the game to their liking, but the fact that it can be modded period to the level it has to this point.

Agree totally, Kev, and a review from Neal could also answer things like AA, AF, Dynamic Shadows, FPS on a mid range rig, how good does the water look? Does the sub feel like it's on rails? How much fun is the first person mode? What options can be enabled/disabled in the game? How does the AI feel?

None of the answers to these issues will prevent sales here, other than a very small percentage who have already decided not to buy it, but a good review would establish a 'glass half full' feeling in the community in my view.

ReallyDedPoet · 01-22-10, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

None of the answers to these issues will prevent sales here, other than a very small percentage who have already decided not to buy it, but a good review would establish a 'glass half full' feeling in the community in my view.

Plus SUBSIM has done a lot for the series over the years. The majority of it constructive
( threads, forums and posts )

Deimos01 · 01-22-10, 10:33 AM

Development process of any Silent Hunter game.

1) Game is announced

2) There is much excitement in the community of what the new game promises.

3) Frustration grows as the devs release little or no new information.

4) Wild speculation ensues around the scraps of information that are released.

5) Wild speculation meets frustration which in turn generates anger and hostility.

6) The longer the game is in developement the more time this salty mix of wild speculation, frustration, anger and hostility has time to ferment which leads to unrealistic expectations of what the game should be.

7) Game is released followed immediately by more anger and hostility as unrealistic expectations arent met meets buggy unfinished game.

8) The mod community takes over and begins a slow campaign of improvements and fixes. As the gamers can then pick and choose the mods that suit them best, anger and hostility slowly turns to joy.

9) Devs announce next installment in SH series ---- go to step #2

10) Releases of all subsequent games in the series are also met with feelings of nostalgia for the good ol days of Silent Hunter (insert number here) which was the best game ever made.

Just a little levity brought to you by Deimos.

TDK1044 · 01-22-10, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deimos01

Development process of any Silent Hunter game.

1) Game is announced

2) There is much excitement in the community of what the new game promises.

3) Frustration grows as the devs release little or no new information.

4) Wild speculation ensues around the scraps of information that are released.

5) Wild speculation meets frustration which in turn generates anger and hostility.

6) The longer the game is in developement the more time this salty mix of wild speculation, frustration, anger and hostility has time to ferment which leads to unrealistic expectations of what the game should be.

7) Game is released followed immediately by more anger and hostility as unrealistic expectations arent met meets buggy unfinished game.

8) The mod community takes over and begins a slow campaign of improvements and fixes. As the gamers can then pick and choose the mods that suit them best, anger and hostility slowly turns to joy.

9) Devs announce next installment in SH series ---- go to step #2

10) Releases of all subsequent games in the series are also met with feelings of nostalgia for the good ol days of Silent Hunter (insert number here) which was the best game ever made.

Just a little levity brought to you by Deimos.

JScones · 01-22-10, 10:40 AM

But TDK, you are failing to consider the possibility that Ubisoft may well be trying to hide something. You keep saying that a review [sic] would reduce frustration and anger. Sure, if SH5 was indeed all bunny rabbits and teddy bears like you are obviously assuming.

But let's just pretend for one second (I know you like doing this) that the dynamic shadows were broken, the dynamic campaign was merely a supercharged scripting engine or the enemy AI was the equivalent of a frog on steroids. Do you think they'd want us to know that now? And do you think knowing that would make this a happy place?

Just imagine this place had they given Neal a beta copy of SH4 to preview...

Of course, on the other hand, if they do have nothing to hide, then I fail to see the harm in giving Neal a beta copy to preview - as you correctly state, that can only be a good thing.

And that's the perplexing thing.

01-22-10, 09:35 AM	#1
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Memo to Ubisoft Reading through the threads of this Forum, so much could be accomplished if Ubisoft was to give Neal access to a full version of the game NOW. There is an understandable mixture of disappointment, frustration and anger in the air at the moment, and I believe a lot of that could be significantly reduced by Neal having review access to the latest version of the game. Come on Ubisoft. You have known Neal for many years. You know that you can trust him. Allow him to do your company a big favor, by addressing the concerns of many here regarding the latest incarnation of a franchise that this Forum has strongly supported over the years. Let him review the game!

01-22-10, 09:44 AM	#5
Kapitanleutnant Frogman Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 305 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Dear Ubisoft, Up your bum. I remain yours everlastingly Mr. Sir. Kapitanleutnant Esq. (est.1984) __________________ Oh worse than Hitler! You wouldn't find Hitler playing jungle music at three o'clock in the morning!

01-22-10, 10:33 AM	#13
Deimos01 Frogman Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: St louis Posts: 304 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Development process of any Silent Hunter game. 1) Game is announced 2) There is much excitement in the community of what the new game promises. 3) Frustration grows as the devs release little or no new information. 4) Wild speculation ensues around the scraps of information that are released. 5) Wild speculation meets frustration which in turn generates anger and hostility. 6) The longer the game is in developement the more time this salty mix of wild speculation, frustration, anger and hostility has time to ferment which leads to unrealistic expectations of what the game should be. 7) Game is released followed immediately by more anger and hostility as unrealistic expectations arent met meets buggy unfinished game. 8) The mod community takes over and begins a slow campaign of improvements and fixes. As the gamers can then pick and choose the mods that suit them best, anger and hostility slowly turns to joy. 9) Devs announce next installment in SH series ---- go to step #2 10) Releases of all subsequent games in the series are also met with feelings of nostalgia for the good ol days of Silent Hunter (insert number here) which was the best game ever made. Just a little levity brought to you by Deimos. __________________ "No matter where you go... there you are" - Buckaroo Banzai

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01-22-10, 09:37 AM	#2
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	What if our fears are found to be true and the game will be crap?

01-22-10, 09:43 AM	#4
Decoman Frogman Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 306 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	I expect money to be deposited magically to my bank account and my refridgerator filled with tasty food, after purchasing SH5. Also my hair ought to become bigger.

01-22-10, 10:40 AM	#15
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	But TDK, you are failing to consider the possibility that Ubisoft may well be trying to hide something. You keep saying that a review [sic] would reduce frustration and anger. Sure, if SH5 was indeed all bunny rabbits and teddy bears like you are obviously assuming. But let's just pretend for one second (I know you like doing this) that the dynamic shadows were broken, the dynamic campaign was merely a supercharged scripting engine or the enemy AI was the equivalent of a frog on steroids. Do you think they'd want us to know that now? And do you think knowing that would make this a happy place? Just imagine this place had they given Neal a beta copy of SH4 to preview... Of course, on the other hand, if they do have nothing to hide, then I fail to see the harm in giving Neal a beta copy to preview - as you correctly state, that can only be a good thing. And that's the perplexing thing.