British antipathy to US commanders and dilletantism revealed in Iraq

Skybird · 11-22-09, 05:50 PM

British newspaper Sunday Telegraph reveals leaked documents showing how unbelievably unprepared and dilletantic the British embarked on the war in 2003. The paper also quotes British military sources showing the great antipathy and disgust of the British for the way US commad handled the war, despite their "special relation".

Hostility between British and American military leaders revealed
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-revealed.html

Iraq report: Secret papers reveal blunders and concealment
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ncealment.html

Iraq report: Secret plans for war, no plans for peace
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...for-peace.html

Iraq report: Troops 'rushed' into battle without armour or training
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-training.html

Iraq report: Britain 'unprepared' for nation building
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-building.html

Iraq report: Leaks at heart of inquiry’s key issues
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ey-issues.html

This all is at least as bad as what has already been revealed in the documentation "No end in sight". The docu focussed on Bush's way to mess up the Us operation. This leaked report now sheds light onto the failure of British politics.

Not to imagine that Blair had the nerve to even candidating for the post of EU president. when thinking of him and Bush, I wonder: who is the greater idiot - the idiot or the idiot following him willingly?

The truth about this stupid war of choice - not of necessity - can run. But it can't hide forever.

Skybird · 11-23-09, 06:50 AM

British commanders accuse Blair's government of coverup, violation of the Geneva convention, and war crimes, by sabotaging proper preparation of the war in order to mislead the public, putting civilians into harm's way for that.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...-no10-cover-up

August · 11-23-09, 08:15 AM

antikristuseke · 11-23-09, 08:55 AM

Given that there was antipathy between the platoon commanders of different companies while I was in basic, I am not surprised there was such between high level commanders in a large deployment of international forces. It is to be expected.
The biggest problems we had with staff company, because recon and staff shared a barracks, they were on second floor, we were on first floor and we beat those pencil pushers and cable runners at everything, they didnt stand that.

Especially nice was our victory over every company in the battalion in the so called soldiers march, our slowest section beat the next companies fastest by an hour and a half and unlike them we were fighting fit over the line, not winded and the less said about the logistics compantys performance the better.

11-23-09, 10:14 AM

UK has already taken a huge bite of the US-made **** (starts with s) sandwich. Looks like they are having difficulty chewing and swallowing it.

onelifecrisis · 11-23-09, 04:37 PM

I don't think hardly anyone here in the UK wanted to enter into that war. Unfortunately, when it comes to a general election, I think most people tend to vote with their stomachs.

JU_88 · 11-23-09, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

Whats all that about??, does SB just post stuff you dont want to hear or something?

Jimbuna · 11-23-09, 05:13 PM

Regardless of whether each individual agrees or disagrees with what happened, the fact is the UK supported its closest ally and the resultant outcome/consequence means we are more than likely committed for the foreseeable medium to long term future.

Hopefully the lessons learned will prevent a repeat elsewhere in the future.

TarJak · 11-23-09, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Regardless of whether each individual agrees or disagrees with what happened, the fact is the UK supported its closest ally and the resultant outcome/consequence means we are more than likely committed for the foreseeable medium to long term future.

Hopefully the lessons learned will prevent a repeat elsewhere in the future.

Would that were true Jim. I suspect that as usual, nothing will be learned and the same mistakes will be repeated ad nauseum. I hope not but I suspect the hope is forlorn.

Given the Australian Government's follow the leader attitude to both Iraq and Afghanistan I'm surprised we haven't had similar reports made public here yet.

Jimbuna · 11-25-09, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak

Would that were true Jim. I suspect that as usual, nothing will be learned and the same mistakes will be repeated ad nauseum. I hope not but I suspect the hope is forlorn.

Given the Australian Government's follow the leader attitude to both Iraq and Afghanistan I'm surprised we haven't had similar reports made public here yet.

Sad but true....and there is still time yet unfortunately

Kazuaki Shimazaki II · 11-26-09, 06:53 AM

It is all very well that the Telegraph is letting us read those leaked papers ... but why make us read it in that stupid Flash viewer?

11-22-09, 05:50 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,629 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	British antipathy to US commanders and dilletantism in Iraq revealed British newspaper Sunday Telegraph reveals leaked documents showing how unbelievably unprepared and dilletantic the British embarked on the war in 2003. The paper also quotes British military sources showing the great antipathy and disgust of the British for the way US commad handled the war, despite their "special relation". Hostility between British and American military leaders revealed http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-revealed.html Iraq report: Secret papers reveal blunders and concealment http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ncealment.html Iraq report: Secret plans for war, no plans for peace http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...for-peace.html Iraq report: Troops 'rushed' into battle without armour or training http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-training.html Iraq report: Britain 'unprepared' for nation building http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-building.html Iraq report: Leaks at heart of inquiry’s key issues http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ey-issues.html This all is at least as bad as what has already been revealed in the documentation "No end in sight". The docu focussed on Bush's way to mess up the Us operation. This leaked report now sheds light onto the failure of British politics. Not to imagine that Blair had the nerve to even candidating for the post of EU president. when thinking of him and Bush, I wonder: who is the greater idiot - the idiot or the idiot following him willingly? The truth about this stupid war of choice - not of necessity - can run. But it can't hide forever. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 11-22-09 at 06:05 PM.

11-23-09, 06:50 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,629 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	British commanders accuse Blair's government of coverup, violation of the Geneva convention, and war crimes, by sabotaging proper preparation of the war in order to mislead the public, putting civilians into harm's way for that. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...-no10-cover-up __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-23-09, 08:15 AM	#3
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	__________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

11-23-09, 05:13 PM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,539 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Regardless of whether each individual agrees or disagrees with what happened, the fact is the UK supported its closest ally and the resultant outcome/consequence means we are more than likely committed for the foreseeable medium to long term future. Hopefully the lessons learned will prevent a repeat elsewhere in the future. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-26-09, 06:53 AM	#11
Kazuaki Shimazaki II Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	What's wrong with PDF? It is all very well that the Telegraph is letting us read those leaked papers ... but why make us read it in that stupid Flash viewer?

11-23-09, 08:55 AM	#4
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Given that there was antipathy between the platoon commanders of different companies while I was in basic, I am not surprised there was such between high level commanders in a large deployment of international forces. It is to be expected. The biggest problems we had with staff company, because recon and staff shared a barracks, they were on second floor, we were on first floor and we beat those pencil pushers and cable runners at everything, they didnt stand that. Especially nice was our victory over every company in the battalion in the so called soldiers march, our slowest section beat the next companies fastest by an hour and a half and unlike them we were fighting fit over the line, not winded and the less said about the logistics compantys performance the better.

11-23-09, 10:14 AM	#5
OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	UK has already taken a huge bite of the US-made **** (starts with s) sandwich. Looks like they are having difficulty chewing and swallowing it.

11-23-09, 04:37 PM	#6
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	I don't think hardly anyone here in the UK wanted to enter into that war. Unfortunately, when it comes to a general election, I think most people tend to vote with their stomachs.

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