Missing wave texturing?

prowler3 · 03-28-09, 01:32 PM

For some reason the missing wave texture problem seems to be getting worse for me:

This seems to be a new development since installing GWX 3...but I can't swear to that. It seems to be worse during my latest session.

ASUS Rampage Extreme x48
Intel C2Q 9650 3.0ghz
4gb OCZ RAM
BFG GTX260, 896mb
(C:720, S:1480, M:1220, mhz)
SoundMAX X-fi

I'm using the recommended settings for nHancer to tweak the GTX260...at least, the one's I know of. I'm posting in this thread but it may, in fact, have nothing to do with GWX3. It's been a L-O-N-G time since vanilla SH3

.

Any ideas on what I can look at...nHancer settings, nVidia control panel or anything else you can think of?

Thanks!

Vic

Seeadler · 03-28-09, 04:27 PM

It's a limitation of the rendering engine, you can't render a full detailed water allot of miles around the actual camera position without drastic descents of the framerate. So the trick is to use a level of detail mechanism which renders the ocean mesh near the camera position in higher detail and further away with less detail. Less detail means here also different rendering of textures.

Here you can see that the ocean mesh near your sub has allot of polygones to render and in the distance they are reduced.

makman94 · 03-28-09, 04:50 PM

hello Prowler3,

there is something you can do about this.

do you know how to handle s3d ?

if yes, open the scene.dat file . go to sky-->envdata and there would be the lodfactor.set lodfactor's value to a higher value...about 15.if you get fps hits go back and set this to a lower (than 15) value

bye

IFRT-WHUFC · 03-28-09, 05:11 PM

It's not entirely sure it's just the lod factor, but you also need to consider the tiling factor!! the more tiles the more rendering needs to be done! Hence the more work for the CPU! and i do hate it when all the GWX guys quote this fact! If we all still had the same PC we had when this game was released, well i for one would have retired by now!

ok
Rick

rcjonessnp175 · 03-28-09, 05:16 PM

very good point as im running an overclocked I7 at 4ghz, so was wondering if thier was a modder out thier willing to make an ultimate graphics mod for sh3, no stops max lod max res everything that would be cool as i think this sim can look just as good if not better than sh4 in certain respects.

Jonesy

makman94 · 03-28-09, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IFRT-WHUFC

It's not entirely sure it's just the lod factor, but you also need to consider the tiling factor!! the more tiles the more rendering needs to be done! Hence the more work for the CPU! and i do hate it when all the GWX guys quote this fact! If we all still had the same PC we had when this game was released, well i for one would have retired by now!

ok
Rick

hello Rick (how are you?),
its ...working,just a try is needed ..nothing more

makman94 · 03-28-09, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcjonessnp175

everything that would be cool as i think this sim can look just as good if not better than sh4 in certain respects.

i also believe that !

Anvart · 03-28-09, 06:24 PM

For rendering without artifacts (stock game) is enough 16 (for 16 km need 78), but in any case increase this value does not remove rendering problems ...

P.S. It's not LOD ... it's one of parameters (patches) for water subprogram ...

makman94 · 03-28-09, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anvart

For rendering without artifacts (stock game) is enough 16 (for 16 km need 78), but in any case increase this value does not remove rendering problems ...

hello Anvart, i had a question for you (and Racerboy) ,check the thread ''Anvart and Racerboy''
what do you think? (is possible?)

bye

prowler3 · 03-28-09, 11:16 PM

Let me also say that my screen shot only showed the problem beyond the first "detail boundary" (for lack of a correct term?). I also see this loss of texturing much closer to my sub, at times?

Makman94, I'm not familiar with "S3D", but I do a lot of tweaking in FS9 with various proggies and I'm not afraid

Can you give me more info on S3D? I'm willing to give it a go. Framerates have not been a problem on this gaming machine, so I think I can safely tweak the setting you refer to.

As to the rest, do you have anything I might try? As I said, this is a fairly good rig so I should have room to tweak.

ASUS Rampage Extreme x48
Intel C2Q 9650 3.0ghz
4gb OCZ RAM
BFG GTX260, 896mb
(C:720, S:1480, M:1220, mhz)
SoundMAX X-fi

I'm interested in all suggestions. No one commented on nVidia Control Panel or nHancer settings. I "think" I'm using the right stuff here...but would also listen to any comments on those?

Thanks guys!

Vic

and who the heck is messing with my avatar??? LOL!

Anvart · 03-29-09, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makman94

hello Anvart, i had a question for you (and Racerboy) ,check the thread ''Anvart and Racerboy''
what do you think? (is possible?)

bye

If you speak about "poligons effect" ... it will be always (look Seeadler post) ...
And than more big waves (more wind) so much is more visible "poligons effect" ...
For not to show "poligons effect" Dev's have limited height of the free camera (70 m) ...
If you speak about badly adjusted water (on the second picture) you can adjust it in scene.dat in EnvSim controller ... (common parametres are in EnvData controller) ...

makman94 · 03-29-09, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler3

Makman94, I'm not familiar with "S3D", but I do a lot of tweaking in FS9 with various proggies and I'm not afraid

Can you give me more info on S3D? I'm willing to give it a go. Framerates have not been a problem on this gaming machine, so I think I can safely tweak the setting you refer to.

hello,
you will find the s3d here:Silent 3ditor . its a hex editor but with a very friedly interface. open the scene.dat with this programme and do what i told you at the previous post .

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anvart

If you speak about "poligons effect" ... it will be always (look Seeadler post) ...

thank you,Anvart

prowler3 · 04-16-09, 12:21 PM

Makman94, That seems to have alleviated the problem for the most part. I am still "adjusting" as setting LOD factor to 15 did result in a fairly big FPS hit in very rough seas during daylight. Strangely this did not occur in the full 360 degree view with the camera but only when viewing in a certain direction? I'm guessing the big FPS drop at a certain view direction must be the result of the angle at which the waves are coming...but that's just a WAG.

Anywho...thanks!

makman94 · 04-16-09, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler3

Makman94, That seems to have alleviated the problem for the most part. I am still "adjusting" as setting LOD factor to 15 did result in a fairly big FPS hit in very rough seas during daylight. Strangely this did not occur in the full 360 degree view with the camera but only when viewing in a certain direction? I'm guessing the big FPS drop at a certain view direction must be the result of the angle at which the waves are coming...but that's just a WAG.

Anywho...thanks!

yes ,this is happening if you are near the shore (to the direction of the shore)
note that maybe you don't see the shore but if you are near the game's engine 'see' it.

prowler3 · 04-16-09, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makman94

yes ,this is happening if you are near the shore (to the direction of the shore)
note that maybe you don't see the shore but if you are near the game's engine 'see' it.

OK...I was in the fjord just south-west of Narvik, after sinking the Warspite. Shore very close on both sides...so that explains it.

Thanks!

03-28-09, 01:32 PM	#1
prowler3 XO Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado, for now. Any RED State, ASAP. Posts: 401 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	Missing wave texturing? For some reason the missing wave texture problem seems to be getting worse for me: This seems to be a new development since installing GWX 3...but I can't swear to that. It seems to be worse during my latest session. ASUS Rampage Extreme x48 Intel C2Q 9650 3.0ghz 4gb OCZ RAM BFG GTX260, 896mb (C:720, S:1480, M:1220, mhz) SoundMAX X-fi I'm using the recommended settings for nHancer to tweak the GTX260...at least, the one's I know of. I'm posting in this thread but it may, in fact, have nothing to do with GWX3. It's been a L-O-N-G time since vanilla SH3 . Any ideas on what I can look at...nHancer settings, nVidia control panel or anything else you can think of? Thanks! Vic

03-28-09, 04:27 PM	#2
Seeadler Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 1,096 Downloads: 169 Uploads: 0	It's a limitation of the rendering engine, you can't render a full detailed water allot of miles around the actual camera position without drastic descents of the framerate. So the trick is to use a level of detail mechanism which renders the ocean mesh near the camera position in higher detail and further away with less detail. Less detail means here also different rendering of textures. Here you can see that the ocean mesh near your sub has allot of polygones to render and in the distance they are reduced. __________________ -- Vapor-ware is always easier to sell because there's no limit what it can do!

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Anvart Admiral Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Russia ® Posts: 2,492 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 1	For rendering without artifacts (stock game) is enough 16 (for 16 km need 78), but in any case increase this value does not remove rendering problems ... P.S. It's not LOD ... it's one of parameters (patches) for water subprogram ... __________________ Alex ® Moses said: "Don't create yourself an idol"... Last edited by Anvart; 03-31-09 at 04:32 AM.

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03-28-09, 04:50 PM	#3
makman94 Hellas Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,325 Downloads: 182 Uploads: 7	hello Prowler3, there is something you can do about this. do you know how to handle s3d ? if yes, open the scene.dat file . go to sky-->envdata and there would be the lodfactor.set lodfactor's value to a higher value...about 15.if you get fps hits go back and set this to a lower (than 15) value bye

03-28-09, 05:11 PM	#4
IFRT-WHUFC Engineer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: By the Nordsee Posts: 200 Downloads: 374 Uploads: 0	It's not entirely sure it's just the lod factor, but you also need to consider the tiling factor!! the more tiles the more rendering needs to be done! Hence the more work for the CPU! and i do hate it when all the GWX guys quote this fact! If we all still had the same PC we had when this game was released, well i for one would have retired by now! ok Rick

03-28-09, 11:16 PM	#10
prowler3 XO Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado, for now. Any RED State, ASAP. Posts: 401 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	Let me also say that my screen shot only showed the problem beyond the first "detail boundary" (for lack of a correct term?). I also see this loss of texturing much closer to my sub, at times? Makman94, I'm not familiar with "S3D", but I do a lot of tweaking in FS9 with various proggies and I'm not afraid Can you give me more info on S3D? I'm willing to give it a go. Framerates have not been a problem on this gaming machine, so I think I can safely tweak the setting you refer to. As to the rest, do you have anything I might try? As I said, this is a fairly good rig so I should have room to tweak. ASUS Rampage Extreme x48 Intel C2Q 9650 3.0ghz 4gb OCZ RAM BFG GTX260, 896mb (C:720, S:1480, M:1220, mhz) SoundMAX X-fi I'm interested in all suggestions. No one commented on nVidia Control Panel or nHancer settings. I "think" I'm using the right stuff here...but would also listen to any comments on those? Thanks guys! Vic and who the heck is messing with my avatar??? LOL!

04-16-09, 12:21 PM	#13
prowler3 XO Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Colorado, for now. Any RED State, ASAP. Posts: 401 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	Makman94, That seems to have alleviated the problem for the most part. I am still "adjusting" as setting LOD factor to 15 did result in a fairly big FPS hit in very rough seas during daylight. Strangely this did not occur in the full 360 degree view with the camera but only when viewing in a certain direction? I'm guessing the big FPS drop at a certain view direction must be the result of the angle at which the waves are coming...but that's just a WAG. Anywho...thanks!