Iran's air defenses.

ABBAFAN · 03-15-09, 01:16 PM

Could a Vulcan or similarly equipped bomber get through Iran's air defences?What kind of condition are they in?

SUBMAN1 · 03-15-09, 02:47 PM

No.

-S

Enigma · 03-15-09, 02:50 PM

Russia sold them Tor M-1 missiles in 2007.

Out altitude capabilities would be a problem for them, however....

SUBMAN1 · 03-15-09, 02:59 PM

They also sold them S-300's - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-10A_Grumble

They also have a mixture of upgraded SA-2's, known as Sayyad-1 in Iran, and have a system based on the Chinese HQ-7 (An ultra low altitude missile) and it is known in Iran as Shahab Thaqeb.

-S

Max2147 · 03-15-09, 03:27 PM

In terms of aircraft for air defense, Iran has a pretty interesting mix of planes:

They've got the MiG 29: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran---Air/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29A-(9-12A)/1494589/M/

They've got the F-14's left over from the Shah's days. They're still flying, but I don't know if they're combat capable: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran-...cat/1494015/M/

Also from the Shah's days, the F-4 Phantom is still flying: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran-...-4E/1486518/M/

They've also got some planes that fled Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War. Here's a Mirage F1: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran-...1BQ/1345290/L/

And here's an Il-76 AWACS plane: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran-...nan/1345546/L/

Then there's the really interesting native modifications of American designs. First, a twin-tailed derivative of the F-5... in Blue Angels colors?: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran-...ghe/1272144/L/

And to cap it all off, a 747 air refueling tanker! Maybe they could use this for the KC-45

: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran---Air/Boeing-747-131(SF)/1487680/M/

Oberon · 03-15-09, 03:29 PM

Much as I like the Vulcan, I expect that the only way it would get into Iran is as debris

fatty · 03-15-09, 03:32 PM

Don't forget Allah's divine will.

Raptor1 · 03-15-09, 03:35 PM

Well, that's what would happen if you try to get a single bomber that was retired 25 years ago to get through a modern air defense, or any kind of competent air defense for that matter

Well, I suppose it could, given plenty of air cover and SAM suppression, but then, I could get a Cessna through that way too

ABBAFAN · 03-15-09, 03:55 PM

Perhaps with a really niffty ECM upgrade? Can any of these missiles get up to 60 000 feet?

Raptor1 · 03-15-09, 04:20 PM

Pretty much all the aircraft in the Iranian arsenal are armed with da good ol' autocannon, even if you have such a nifty ECM that will effectively jam all the missiles they can throw at you (which I thoroughly doubt)

Could a Vulcan even reach 60,000 feet?

03-15-09, 04:55 PM

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Could a Vulcan even reach 60,000 feet?

Yes the B2 versions had their altitude increased to 60,000, and the only remaining flying Vulcan is a B2 .

ABBAFAN · 03-15-09, 05:17 PM

I take it an F 14 has no problem getting to 60 000 feet then.But would the missiles from the ground get up rthere?

I also heard in a theatre brief we had last year that maintainance issue with all their equipment means that a lot of stuff would fail.

Max2147 · 03-15-09, 05:45 PM

The SA-2 has shot down U-2's at altitude, so unless you're in an SR-71 or something we don't know about you can't evade it by flying high.

Maintainance/combat readiness is the great unknown of the Iranian military. My hunch is that they're in better shape than a lot of people think, but I don't have anything concrete to back that up.

Iranian technicians are some of the most ingenious people out there. They've kept their Western airliners and combat aircraft (like the F-14) flying despite 30 years of embargo and a decade long war. The Iranians are also pretty good at working the black market for spares. So if anybody can keep those planes operational and combat ready, it's the Iranians.

03-15-09, 05:46 PM

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I also heard in a theatre brief we had last year that maintainance issue with all their equipment means that a lot of stuff would fail.

Which is why they need the new arms deal with Russia , which is why people don't want the deal to go through , which is why Russia can use it as leverage over the American systems going to eastern europe .

baggygreen · 03-15-09, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

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I also heard in a theatre brief we had last year that maintainance issue with all their equipment means that a lot of stuff would fail.

Which is why they need the new arms deal with Russia , which is why people don't want the deal to go through , which is why Russia can use it as leverage over the American systems going to eastern europe .

Don't you just love International Relations

03-15-09, 01:16 PM	#1
ABBAFAN Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 456 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Iran's air defenses. Could a Vulcan or similarly equipped bomber get through Iran's air defences?What kind of condition are they in? __________________ CHOOSE RFA! LESS GRAFT, MORE PAY.

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SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No. -S __________________

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Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Russia sold them Tor M-1 missiles in 2007. Out altitude capabilities would be a problem for them, however.... __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

03-15-09, 02:59 PM	#4
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	They also sold them S-300's - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-10A_Grumble They also have a mixture of upgraded SA-2's, known as Sayyad-1 in Iran, and have a system based on the Chinese HQ-7 (An ultra low altitude missile) and it is known in Iran as Shahab Thaqeb. -S __________________

03-15-09, 03:35 PM	#8
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Well, that's what would happen if you try to get a single bomber that was retired 25 years ago to get through a modern air defense, or any kind of competent air defense for that matter Well, I suppose it could, given plenty of air cover and SAM suppression, but then, I could get a Cessna through that way too __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

03-15-09, 03:27 PM	#5
Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	In terms of aircraft for air defense, Iran has a pretty interesting mix of planes: They've got the MiG 29: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran---Air/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-29A-(9-12A)/1494589/M/ They've got the F-14's left over from the Shah's days. They're still flying, but I don't know if they're combat capable: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran-...cat/1494015/M/ Also from the Shah's days, the F-4 Phantom is still flying: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran-...-4E/1486518/M/ They've also got some planes that fled Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War. Here's a Mirage F1: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran-...1BQ/1345290/L/ And here's an Il-76 AWACS plane: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran-...nan/1345546/L/ Then there's the really interesting native modifications of American designs. First, a twin-tailed derivative of the F-5... in Blue Angels colors?: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran-...ghe/1272144/L/ And to cap it all off, a 747 air refueling tanker! Maybe they could use this for the KC-45 : http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran---Air/Boeing-747-131(SF)/1487680/M/

03-15-09, 03:29 PM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Much as I like the Vulcan, I expect that the only way it would get into Iran is as debris

03-15-09, 03:32 PM	#7
fatty The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,448 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Don't forget Allah's divine will.

03-15-09, 03:55 PM	#9
ABBAFAN Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 456 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Perhaps with a really niffty ECM upgrade? Can any of these missiles get up to 60 000 feet? __________________ CHOOSE RFA! LESS GRAFT, MORE PAY.

03-15-09, 04:20 PM	#10
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Pretty much all the aircraft in the Iranian arsenal are armed with da good ol' autocannon, even if you have such a nifty ECM that will effectively jam all the missiles they can throw at you (which I thoroughly doubt) Could a Vulcan even reach 60,000 feet? __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

03-15-09, 05:17 PM	#12
ABBAFAN Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 456 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I take it an F 14 has no problem getting to 60 000 feet then.But would the missiles from the ground get up rthere? I also heard in a theatre brief we had last year that maintainance issue with all their equipment means that a lot of stuff would fail. __________________ CHOOSE RFA! LESS GRAFT, MORE PAY.

03-15-09, 05:45 PM	#13
Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The SA-2 has shot down U-2's at altitude, so unless you're in an SR-71 or something we don't know about you can't evade it by flying high. Maintainance/combat readiness is the great unknown of the Iranian military. My hunch is that they're in better shape than a lot of people think, but I don't have anything concrete to back that up. Iranian technicians are some of the most ingenious people out there. They've kept their Western airliners and combat aircraft (like the F-14) flying despite 30 years of embargo and a decade long war. The Iranians are also pretty good at working the black market for spares. So if anybody can keep those planes operational and combat ready, it's the Iranians.

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