Class 212 and 214 Boats

[Mocbo]

Who have mor Information about these....

In the Net all Information is rare.
The 212 is another Boat as the 214 .
Look at the Dive planes ..!! an where they are and then at the Stern Rudders .... Then the Structure is longer.

I have seen a Video from the 212 Boat. All is Digital on this Boat.
Many Touch Screens an Displays.. like the Seawolf. Shown as in a modern Awacs Jet ...

http://www.marine.de/02DB07000000000...9304INFODE.asx

Greetings

Moc

[Pigfish]

Nice vidio. heres another: http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=1/4/2006

Heres another link from the builder but this link used used to be better:
http://www.hdw.de/index_en.php?level...1113&unter=244

Always a good source:
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/type_212/

Some nice Italian pics here:
http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread...=222007&page=5

etc etc. There are lots of good links and info about the 212A/14 out there. Shes not so secret anymore.

[Kapitan]

nice

[Smaragdadler]

We had a thread some time ago:

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...=44340&start=0

[Mocbo]

Thanks for the Info

But all talks from the 212 What is with the 214 ??
If there are exiting mor Infos... ??
I know only that its have the Fuel Cell Plant but what is with the Speed, dive depth ,Weapons an the Sensors
Ive heared about a kind of Supercavitation Torpedo to counter incoming Torpedos. Or there wasmean the TAU 2000 multi counter measure System trhen can be used as vehicle to engage incoming torpedos?.
Then the new Missiles.
What for Steel is used for the Boat.....

What for Sensors have these boat. I have seen no Place for a Sonar Dome like in a 688 or similar sonars.

Greetings

Moc

[DangerousDaze]

Info on the 212/214.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/type_212/

[Smaragdadler]

U 214 - HN Class - PAPANIKOLIS S-120

more pics:
http://users.otenet.gr/~kostast/foto_214.htm
http://www.pbase.com/vikingspirit/image/51973783

[XabbaRus]

I have a model of that sitting on my HDD.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

I have a model of that sitting on my HDD.

I built one too but the masts were ruined by someone while I put it on display so I gave it away

[Skybird]

214 originally was the 212 - planned to be built in license in Greece, with a slightly longer hull, if I remember correctly. Later, "214" also meant technical improvements which not only make the location of manufacturing a different one, but also the boat itself (slightly).

The 212 and 214 are also sold to Israel, Korea, and more interested customers are waiting on the list.

Sexy looking little cutie.

[Kapitan]

if i had to choose between akula and that then the akula stands no chance

[Sea Demon]

This is remarkable. German engineering and ingenuity is rather impressive.

[Smaragdadler]

Originally Posted by Mocbo

[...]
The 212 is another Boat as the 214 .
Look at the Dive planes ..!! an where they are[...]

Type U212A

Type U214

So, the Dive Planes are not on the sail but on the hull. I have read that when they are on the sail, they are more effective on slow speeds, which means 212-A would have better manouverability. Bad point about planes on sail is - that they can brake off if you try to surface through ice. This means 214 is good for under ice-ops and 212A not?

[SandyCaesar]

Amina! I'd hate to have to go up against one of them in littoral waters. (Open-ocean is a little different, as the nuke's endurance is definitely better for open-ocean or offensive operations.) But defensively...I want one.

Originally Posted by Smaragdadler

Type U212A

Type U214

So, the Dive Planes are not on the sail but on the hull. I have read that when they are on the sail, they are more effective on slow speeds, which means 212-A would have better manouverability. Bad point about planes on sail is - that they can brake off if you try to surface through ice. This means 214 is good for under ice-ops and 212A not?

I will have to dispute that point, two years later. AFAIK, the US Sturgeon class had sail-mounted diving planes, and were still capable of under-ice operations. The sails were supposed to be able to fold up against the sail to help breach the ice.

What I want to know, however, is their sonar capabilities. I know that this is a very sensitive topic, but theoretically wouldn't nukes have the edge here? Nukes can house a towed-array, which admittedly wouldn't be that useful in a littoral environment, and can have loads of hull-arrays, which diesel boats simply don't have (one or two conformal arrays--not enough to range-gate passively).

So, on the whole, AIP-diesel boats make for deadly littoral hunters, but nukes generally have the advantage in reach, range, and open-ocean ops.

Oh, and one last question: what kind of engine is MESMA (Scorpene class)? How does it work? And as for the Stirling engines (Gotland), considering they're modified diesels running closed-circuit: just how quiet are they, anyway?

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by SandyCaesar

What I want to know, however, is their sonar capabilities. I know that this is a very sensitive topic, but theoretically wouldn't nukes have the edge here? Nukes can house a towed-array, which admittedly wouldn't be that useful in a littoral environment, and can have loads of hull-arrays, which diesel boats simply don't have (one or two conformal arrays--not enough to range-gate passively).

Say again !!

Sonar suite

The vessel's sonar suite includes a long-range passive cylindrical array, an intercept sonar, active sonar, distributed array, flank array, a high-resolution sonar for mine and obstacle avoidance and a towed array.

Source : http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/scorpene/

Its not about the type 212/214 but the french equivalent scorpene.