What is the republican party's next move?

[subchaser12]

This isn't to start a fight, no republican bashing for the sake of it please. I know there are mostly level headed republicans here and I have to ask "what now". The way I see it there are much deeper issues than McCain just sucking. It looks to me that the right wing social issues are really losing traction around the country in big enough numbers to matter. Will they go back to fiscal conservative roots? I know there won't be anything for awhile as the republican will be licking their wounds for a bit. I'm not sure being the anti-Obama party is safe with his popularity nationwide. I'm stumped. Thoughts and opinions?

[SteamWake]

Well basically conservative Republicans will just have to sit in the corner and wimper for the next 4 years.

The 'liberal' take over of house and senate as well as commander in chief is complete.

[Onkel Neal]

Republicans need to stop acting like Democrats, get back to conservative basics. The McCaim campaign was the most poorly run since Dole.

[subchaser12]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Republicans need to stop acting like Democrats, get back to conservative basics. The McCaim campaign was the most poorly run since Dole.

The only republican I saw recently was Ron Paul. It was strange how the republicans currently in power acted like he was a leper. Why did the right work so tirelessly to defeat Ron Paul? He had just as much enthusiasm on the right as Obama on the left, they didn't want that though. Strange.

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Republicans need to stop acting like Democrats, get back to conservative basics. The McCaim campaign was the most poorly run since Dole.

Yep, that sums it up perfectly. Stop spending and return to fiscal conservative values.

Oh it's over for them, no more racism for them to take advantage of.

[August]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Oh it's over for them, no more racism for them to take advantage of.

Go away troll...

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Republicans need to stop acting like Democrats, get back to conservative basics.

Sure. The people voted for Obama, and the very clear majority of first voters and young voters voted for him - because the Republicans are not conservative enough. Logical!

the simple truth is that the young ones and many people who over the past years moved into the Us or moved inside the US into historical Republöican strongholds, were not republican, and were not interested in conservatism. By ethnic and demographic chnages and age structures and ethnic migration patterns I cannot see that trend ending. So, republicans need to reinvent a new form of wjhat it means to be Republican. The old formulas are more and more unlikely to work in attracting voters.

And I remember that you and me had a discussion on that some years ago, where I already predicted that!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Sure. The people voted for Obama, and the very clear majority of first voters and young voters voted for him - because the Republicans are not conservative enough. Logical!

the simple truth is that the young ones and many people who over the past years moved into the Us or moved inside the US into historical Republöican strongholds, were not republican, and were not interested in conservatism. By ethnic and demographic chnages and age structures and ethnic migration patterns I cannot see that trend ending. So, republicans need to reinvent a new form of wjhat it means to be Republican. The old formulas are more and more unlikely to work in attracting voters.

And I remember that you and me had a discussion on that some years ago, where I already predicted that!

Do you ever break your arm patting yourself on your back? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Sure. The people voted for Obama, and the very clear majority of first voters and young voters {and multiple voters} voted for him - because the Republicans are not conservative enough. Logical!

the simple truth is that the young ones and many people who over the past years moved into the Us or moved inside the US into historical Republöican strongholds, were not republican, and were not interested in conservatism. By ethnic and demographic chnages and age structures and ethnic migration patterns I cannot see that trend ending. So, republicans need to reinvent a new form of wjhat it means to be Republican. The old formulas are more and more unlikely to work in attracting voters.

And I remember that you and me had a discussion on that some years ago, where I already predicted that!

Fixed for you...

Actually it does make sense, alot of conservative republicans did not like McCain and felt in some ways the best thing would be for him to lose, not to mention votes that went to third party / write in candidates.

The election was not the 'landslide' as painted in the popular media. Yes he took the majoirty of electoral votes but thats another topic. In the popular vote it was actually pretty close.

[Zachstar]

The next move needs to be to Ron Paul.

Right now the urge is to throw Jindal or Sarah into the fire for 2012. Yet all indications are 2012 will be just as difficult for a pub to win as 2008.

If the republicans want to win they have one chance. Technology. They must embrace new advancements and sever all times to the oil and fossil fuels of the past. McCain gained lots of ground with this approach before the repubs shut him up and made him talk about RW crap and "Drill baby Drill!"

Otherwise all you have to say is oil party again in 2012 and the defeats will pour in.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Sure. The people voted for Obama, and the very clear majority of first voters and young voters voted for him - because the Republicans are not conservative enough. Logical!

the simple truth is that the young ones and many people who over the past years moved into the Us or moved inside the US into historical Republöican strongholds, were not republican, and were not interested in conservatism. By ethnic and demographic chnages and age structures and ethnic migration patterns I cannot see that trend ending. So, republicans need to reinvent a new form of wjhat it means to be Republican. The old formulas are more and more unlikely to work in attracting voters.

And I remember that you and me had a discussion on that some years ago, where I already predicted that!

No, most people voted for Obama because he has charisma. You and your prediuctions. Honestly, I don't recall that, but you certainly have a thing for trying to predict future events and then reminding everyone about it. What's the motivation for that? I do remember, however, you predicted (loud and often) that the Iraq war would end badly for the US (quagmire, insurgents, Viet Nam 2.0) but that hasn't panned out for you. Of course, you may be right in the end, after Jan and Lord Obama pulls a Clinton in Somalia act

Ten years ago I predicted Jobs would spur Apple back into competitiveness, but I didn't tell anyone except my broker. Best $7500 I ever invested.

[subchaser12]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I do remember, however, you predicted (loud and often) that the Iraq war would end badly for the US (quagmire, insurgents, Viet Nam 2.0) but that hasn't panned out for you.

Ummm, I hate to be rude and point this out, but Iraq has been a total disaster. Well, maybe not a total disaster. It has been a billion dollar godsend for the contractors in Iraq. They are the only real winners in the war. Half my family was tempted with 100,000 a year jobs in Iraq. From cops to ex-military. None of us accepted, there isn't enough money to get tortured to death on youtube by a bunch of dancing insurgents.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I do remember, however, you predicted (loud and often) that the Iraq war would end badly for the US (quagmire, insurgents, Viet Nam 2.0) but that hasn't panned out for you.

No? What else is it than just this: a quagmire, insurgents still bombing their way around, and your country not one single step closer to a clear miliztary victory, by any means? Not to mention the unimaginable costs and follow-up costs now counting already in 3-5 trillions?

If this is not a quagmire, then I hope I am no longer alive once there is an event that you would agree to call a quagmire. The operational and political goals of the war that you once had for Iraq, are not and will never be acchieved, that simple - and that defines what a military failure is. Your war gets judged by the standards of what you claimed you want to achcieve, and that was a stable American-style democracy serving as an example form others and stemming the tide of Iranian influence. Both you won't get. And I even do not talk about the WMD-claims before the war here.

Why I remind people of when I predicted something? Because I got so often accused over the years, and attacked, to have predicted something wrong, and to have wished for something wrong, and that I would celebrate if it then goes wrong - and then I got proven right nevertheless. That gives some late satisfaction that I was right at the time back then when insisting on that the negative outcome of something could have been seen in advance indeed - if only one would have looked close and careful enough at it. Even Patreus admitts that he is not sure the relative improvement in security he acchieved will last. In past weeks, the frequency and scale of bombing assaults has seen an increase again, for example. The government still is deeply corrupt, and not master of the house. The Iranians lay in wait to let the dust settle a bit. And that all should be a "convincing success"...? Please...

Please don't tell me you consider this status in Iraq anything else but a desaster, after five years and many tens if not hundreds of thousand dead, and many tens of thousands of US troops killed, physically wounded and mentally severly wounded. I count psychological effects on troops due to their often severe social and individual conseqeunces as regular woundings, like if being given a bleeding wound. It is manipulation of statistics to leave those numbers out, and the loss and suffering it could mean for the individual victim can become very, very high and existence-crushing - and often does.