American Battleships

Maj. T J King Kong · 07-25-08, 12:22 PM

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Why is it that American battleships dont engage with their mainguns @ horizon level or (LOS,line of site)? Pretty irritating to watch an IOWA class not shoot main guns until 3 miles, when they have a very accurate range of 23 miles. Another thing, im trying to find the MOST historically accurate enagements, fleets sizes ect. for the Battle off Samar (Leyte), I would love to see the actual TASK FORCE 16/17 in all there glory against Japans DIV #3 battlegroup. Thanks all! For me, accuracy is very important for the full flavour of what really took place. Im new with the ADD ON MODS. Any certain mods and how to achieve success for them to work would be a bonus, ive already tried, no grain MOD and WW2 radio MOD, neither of which i was able to get working.

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Orion2012 · 07-25-08, 04:31 PM

I personnally like TMO+RSRD +PE3 (shearly cosmetic)

With TMO you'll see a major overhaul of the game, including a different graphical layout and such.

RSRD is what the campaign should have been all along. It gets rid of the HUGE amounts of aircraft and random convoys for a more historical apporach.

If you have problems installing the mods, they both have dedicated forums, where you'll find the help you need.

As far as the IOWA not enagaging until 3 miles....I'm not sure, but I have faith someone far wiser then I will come along and provide you with an answer.

Good Hunting

peabody · 07-25-08, 10:04 PM

I would think that because it is a sub game, any surface battle they are putting the ships close enough for you to see the action. And the range can be changed. And you probably know better than I do, but were they accurate at 23 miles in WWII? I just made the Iowa playable and you can just barely make out the ship with the binoculars when you are close enough to fire.

Peabody

Sailor Steve · 07-25-08, 10:46 PM

They like to assume they would be accurate at that range. The known facts are these: the longest range hit anybody ever made with naval guns at sea was about 26,000 yards, or 13 nautical miles. Hood vs Bismarck and Rodney and King George V vs Bismarck were both opened at 21,000 yards, or 10.5 miles, and they got closer before hits were scored.

Could Iowa have hit Yamato at her 43,000-yard (21.5 mile) maximum range? Yes, anybody can get lucky. Would they have if they had engaged? Probably not consistently enough to be called "very accurate".

Diopos · 07-26-08, 01:42 AM

I think the Iowa class carried 2-3 small seaplanes. So in engagments in extreme ranges they would be used in the forward fire observation role. I don't know if they were ever used in an actual naval engagment though. And to be honest I'm not sure the USA BBs saw a lot of ship tp ship engagments but I will leave this the more knowledgeable.
BTW the original question was one of minimum rather tham maximum range.
I do not know which was the minimum (negative) inclination of their main guns, or if there were operational procedures that dictated a need for a certain minimum range. What I know (ok assume) is that no admiralty would accept the possibility of an enemy surface vessel being able to operate in close range to a BB!!!

Hylander_1314 · 07-26-08, 10:43 AM

Haven't seen much as far as ship to ship action with the BBs, but they sure did a lot of island pounding!

JREX53 · 07-26-08, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Diopos

I think the Iowa class carried 2-3 small seaplanes. So in engagments in extreme ranges they would be used in the forward fire observation role. I don't know if they were ever used in an actual naval engagment though. And to be honest I'm not sure the USA BBs saw a lot of ship tp ship engagments but I will leave this the more knowledgeable.
BTW the original question was one of minimum rather tham maximum range.
I do not know which was the minimum (negative) inclination of their main guns, or if there were operational procedures that dictated a need for a certain minimum range. What I know (ok assume) is that no admiralty would accept the possibility of an enemy surface vessel being able to operate in close range to a BB!!!

How about Guadacanal.

07-25-08, 12:22 PM	#1
Maj. T J King Kong Nub Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Titusville, Florida Posts: 4 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	American Battleships ************CONFIDENTIAL EYES ONLY********** U.S/ PACCOM /BB 39 SH4/ 1.4 Why is it that American battleships dont engage with their mainguns @ horizon level or (LOS,line of site)? Pretty irritating to watch an IOWA class not shoot main guns until 3 miles, when they have a very accurate range of 23 miles. Another thing, im trying to find the MOST historically accurate enagements, fleets sizes ect. for the Battle off Samar (Leyte), I would love to see the actual TASK FORCE 16/17 in all there glory against Japans DIV #3 battlegroup. Thanks all! For me, accuracy is very important for the full flavour of what really took place. Im new with the ADD ON MODS. Any certain mods and how to achieve success for them to work would be a bonus, ive already tried, no grain MOD and WW2 radio MOD, neither of which i was able to get working. "Radio Officer, float the buoy" __________________ IN MEMORIAM TO THOSE WHO SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES WHILE SERVING IN AND SUPPORTING OUR SUBMARINE FORCES DURING THE COLD WAR USS THRESHER (SSN 593) LOST AT SEA WITH ALL HANDS APRIL 10 1963 USS SCORPION (SSN 589)** LOST AT SEA WITH ALL HANDS JUNE 2 1968 Last edited by Maj. T J King Kong; 07-25-08 at 01:10 PM.

07-25-08, 10:46 PM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	They like to assume they would be accurate at that range. The known facts are these: the longest range hit anybody ever made with naval guns at sea was about 26,000 yards, or 13 nautical miles. Hood vs Bismarck and Rodney and King George V vs Bismarck were both opened at 21,000 yards, or 10.5 miles, and they got closer before hits were scored. Could Iowa have hit Yamato at her 43,000-yard (21.5 mile) maximum range? Yes, anybody can get lucky. Would they have if they had engaged? Probably not consistently enough to be called "very accurate". __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

07-26-08, 01:42 AM	#5
Diopos Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Athens, the original one. Posts: 1,226 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I think the Iowa class carried 2-3 small seaplanes. So in engagments in extreme ranges they would be used in the forward fire observation role. I don't know if they were ever used in an actual naval engagment though. And to be honest I'm not sure the USA BBs saw a lot of ship tp ship engagments but I will leave this the more knowledgeable. BTW the original question was one of minimum rather tham maximum range. I do not know which was the minimum (negative) inclination of their main guns, or if there were operational procedures that dictated a need for a certain minimum range. What I know (ok assume) is that no admiralty would accept the possibility of an enemy surface vessel being able to operate in close range to a BB!!! __________________ - Oh God! They're all over the place! CRASH DIVE!!! - Ehm... we can't honey. We're in the car right now. - What?... er right... Doesn't matter! We'll give it a try anyway! Last edited by Diopos; 07-26-08 at 02:42 AM.

07-26-08, 10:43 AM	#6
Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	Haven't seen much as far as ship to ship action with the BBs, but they sure did a lot of island pounding! __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

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07-25-08, 04:31 PM	#2
Orion2012 Commodore Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 611 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I personnally like TMO+RSRD +PE3 (shearly cosmetic) With TMO you'll see a major overhaul of the game, including a different graphical layout and such. RSRD is what the campaign should have been all along. It gets rid of the HUGE amounts of aircraft and random convoys for a more historical apporach. If you have problems installing the mods, they both have dedicated forums, where you'll find the help you need. As far as the IOWA not enagaging until 3 miles....I'm not sure, but I have faith someone far wiser then I will come along and provide you with an answer. Good Hunting

07-25-08, 10:04 PM	#3
peabody Admiral Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New York State, USA Posts: 2,390 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 7	I would think that because it is a sub game, any surface battle they are putting the ships close enough for you to see the action. And the range can be changed. And you probably know better than I do, but were they accurate at 23 miles in WWII? I just made the Iowa playable and you can just barely make out the ship with the binoculars when you are close enough to fire. Peabody __________________ System Spec: Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3, PentiumD Dual Core Presler 945 3.4Ghz, Gigabyte Geforce 7600GS, 2-1GB Corsair XMS2 800Mhz in Dual Channel, 2-WD 250 SATA 3Gb/s, Onboard Realtek HD 7.1 Audio, DVD ROM, DVD burner, Hiper 580 Watt Power supply, WinXP SP2.