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Old 05-21-08, 05:57 AM   #1
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Default Best wishes for Senator Edward Kennedy

I may not have always agreed with his positions, but I honour his service to our country.

Glioma is a serious issue. My thoughts go to him and his family.

If and when his time comes, I hope he can die with dignity and little pain.
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Old 05-21-08, 11:11 AM   #2
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I don't honor his service to the country because it's a dishonor. It has nothing to do with politics either, but how long he has been in office. When our founding fathers envisioned Congress, they envisioned senators going 2 or 3 terms and then going home to their families. They never thought people would abuse the positions as professional politicians. This is what leads to corruption. Not in with Kennedy and a democrat? Well he will make your life hell as a congressman. This type of corruption.

And democrat or republican that goes past 3 or 4 terms, McCain included, is in my opinion the slime of the earth.

We need term limits. It is the only way to fix what's wrong with this country. Less time in office leads to less corruption and a passion to do the right thing.

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It is to bad but I have to agree with Subman1.
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I don't honor his service to the country because it's a dishonor. It has nothing to do with politics either, but how long he has been in office. When our founding fathers envisioned Congress, they envisioned senators going 2 or 3 terms and then going home to their families. They never thought people would abuse the positions as professional politicians. This is what leads to corruption. Not in with Kennedy and a democrat? Well he will make your life hell as a congressman. This type of corruption.

And democrat or republican that goes past 3 or 4 terms, McCain included, is in my opinion the slime of the earth.

We need term limits. It is the only way to fix what's wrong with this country. Less time in office leads to less corruption and a passion to do the right thing.

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Then don't dishonour the politician, dishonour the citizens who continue to vote the politician in again and again.

For it is the citizens that keep the politician in office all those years.
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Then don't dishonour the politician, dishonour the citizens who continue to vote the politician in again and again.

For it is the citizens that keep the politician in office all those years.
I can't agree here. Massachusetts however would be nothing politically without him, so its more a lack of an alternative. And if you're a democratic state, and Kennedy wants to run, who is to challenge him? No one. Kennedy is 100% at fault here.

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I am not going to miss him. The sooner, the better to say the final good bye. Hopefully, soon.
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I do wish Edward Kennedy the best, because I hate to see anyone suffer something like that.

On the other hand, I agree with Subman1, and it's regardless of politics. Here in Utah we have conservative senator Orrin Hatch. He got him self elected back in 1976 running against Democrat Frank Moss. He claimed Moss had lost touch with his people, saying "Don't you think three terms is enough, senator?"

Now, 32 years and almost six terms later, Hatch is still there. Yes, Utah is an ultra-conservative state (in 1992 someone called us "the only state where Bill Clinton came in third, after Ross Perot"), but Hatch has been asked more than once "Don't you think five terms is enough, senator?" But people keep voting for him, so who am I to judge?
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Then don't dishonour the politician, dishonour the citizens who continue to vote the politician in again and again.

For it is the citizens that keep the politician in office all those years.
I can't agree here. Massachusetts however would be nothing politically without him, so its more a lack of an alternative. And if you're a democratic state, and Kennedy wants to run, who is to challenge him? No one. Kennedy is 100% at fault here.

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Not really. He is partially to blame, but the people make up the other part. If they didn't vote him in, he wouldn't have the title of "Senator Kennedy". Either way, you're other statement about a specified term length is nothing but words and a concept that is filled with holes. I doubt you'd be any different than Ted if you suddenly got the power of a Senator of the United States.
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The man is a lion, thus, the resident righties hate him. What a suprise.

Some of you are off your hinges....
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I don't hate him, but I have to ask: in exactly what respect is he a lion?
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A "Lion" is a slang term I used to hear in Washington alot, a term that suggests a long term veteran of a governing branch, and a highly influential one...
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Ah. Thanks.
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...Either way, you're other statement about a specified term length is nothing but words and a concept that is filled with holes....
Where?

And should we start a thread on term limits and why Senator Kennedy can't lose the way things are as they stand? There is a whole portion of the web as to why Term limits are a good idea. This doesn't apply to only one party either. Republicans are just as much to blame and I think they should be gond too!

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Where?
Specified term limits, though a good idea, are simply a flawed concept all the way around. They might solve some of the problems with the country, but it's doubtful that anything much would change. Politics has always been a corrupt business. The senators would find a way to get around the limit; more likely such a law would never even pass in the first place... if it even came into existence and was presented to begin with.

The senators at least have to be voted on regularly, unlike the Supreme Court justices, who can serve for life... there needs to be a retirement limit with them (incompetence with age comes as a natural). No term limit; just an age when they are forced to step down.
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