GWX2, mines and TC

Tobus · 01-17-08, 01:52 PM

So here I am: It's 22 march 1940. I've just left Wilhemshaven and set course with my IXB due north, passing Helgoland on the eastern side. I set speed at 8 kts, put enough men on the bridge for lookout and set TC at 1024x.

Just pas Helgoland, BOOOOOMMMMM!!!!. TC drops back to 1x. My men scream, dead and wounded are strewn through the ship, the engines stopped. I go to external view, expecting to have been ambushed by an unseen aircraft or destroyer. This is, after all, the time of the Norwegian invasion, so English activity in German and Norwegian waters is above normal. But nothing can be seen. I go to my crewscreen and see that my ship is heavily damaged and leaking in multiple compartments. I also count 3 dead and 2 wounded. I set repaircrews at work and 4 hours later most damage is repaired. My hull is at 45% and both diesels are wrecks. Since I saw nothing, I can only expect a mine.

I scan around the ship using external view to maybe spot more of them, but nothing. I have to quit, but am still in range of Helgoland, so dock there.

I think I hit a mine, but is that even possible when TC is set as high as 1024x? Does a visible mine set off an alarm and TC back to 1x like finding a ship?

It startled the sh*t out of me anyway

Jimbuna · 01-17-08, 01:56 PM

Try the 'When critically damaged' setting

Tobus · 01-17-08, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Try the 'When critically damaged' setting

Is on 1x. I guess that's why it went back to 1x in the first place, but ofcourse after the minestrike.

GoldenRivet · 01-17-08, 01:58 PM

you can hit the mine at any time compression IIRC... i remember wondering why i would get the sudden death screen and every time i entered a specific area around scapa flow but then it dawned on me.... MINES!

so yeah... you might be on the lookout for mines in shallow waters... and generally while cruising on the surface you probably wont get struck but thats still a risk.

Jimbuna · 01-17-08, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobus

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Try the 'When critically damaged' setting

Is on 1x. I guess that's why it went back to 1x in the first place, but ofcourse after the minestrike.

Correctumondo

Blacklight · 01-17-08, 02:12 PM

You DID hit a mine. I got a message in early 1940 that the British were dropping mines all around Heligoland..especially to the west of it. After January 1940, give Heligoland a wide berth.

Kpt. Lehmann · 01-17-08, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blacklight

You DID hit a mine. I got a message in early 1940 that the British were dropping mines all around Heligoland..especially to the west of it. After January 1940, give Heligoland a wide berth.

Teehee!

Tobus · 01-17-08, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blacklight

You DID hit a mine. I got a message in early 1940 that the British were dropping mines all around Heligoland..especially to the west of it. After January 1940, give Heligoland a wide berth.

Well then, although I was easterly of Helgoland, I can't have been anything else.
Glad that Lehmann got a good laugh, time for some wide coursesetting then!

Can mines be seen floating in the water, and can I take shots at them with my gun(s) to destroy them?

GoldenRivet · 01-17-08, 02:36 PM

depends on the depth of the water... i have seen a mine or two break the surface in rough weather... but most mines are set to strik a submarine while at periscope depth so they will be 10 - 15 meters below the surface.

I have not personally encountered mines in water deeper than about 40 meters depth

Jimbuna · 01-17-08, 02:53 PM

Blacklight · 01-17-08, 04:06 PM

Quote:

*DINK !*
Um.. what was that ?
*BOOM !!!*

Jimbuna · 01-17-08, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blacklight

*DINK !*
Um.. what was that ?
*BOOM !!!*

Precisely :p

3Jane · 01-17-08, 09:00 PM

I hit one off the Scottish coast. Some are quite shallow.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...621#post745621

Blacklight · 01-17-08, 09:12 PM

This is why I completely try to stay off the continental shelves, especially around enemy countries. I'm not happy unless I'm in a nice deep area.

Fincuan · 01-17-08, 09:36 PM

I remember this story about a u-boat in the Bay of Biscay. They were travelling submereged, and all of a sudden could hear a scraping sound. The skipper concluded pretty quickly that it must be a mine, or the chain more precisely, and fearing that it could snag onto something and pull the mine to their boat he ordered a turn(don't remember which way). The scraping sound moved towards the rear as tension increased, until at some point.... BOOOOM!

I don't remember the boat, when it happened or where I read this, but try to find out. If it's true then there obviously must have been survivors.

edit: Well, it looks like there are several possible boats. For example U-526 and U-171

01-17-08, 01:52 PM	#1
Tobus Lieutenant Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 260 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	GWX2, mines and TC So here I am: It's 22 march 1940. I've just left Wilhemshaven and set course with my IXB due north, passing Helgoland on the eastern side. I set speed at 8 kts, put enough men on the bridge for lookout and set TC at 1024x. Just pas Helgoland, BOOOOOMMMMM!!!!. TC drops back to 1x. My men scream, dead and wounded are strewn through the ship, the engines stopped. I go to external view, expecting to have been ambushed by an unseen aircraft or destroyer. This is, after all, the time of the Norwegian invasion, so English activity in German and Norwegian waters is above normal. But nothing can be seen. I go to my crewscreen and see that my ship is heavily damaged and leaking in multiple compartments. I also count 3 dead and 2 wounded. I set repaircrews at work and 4 hours later most damage is repaired. My hull is at 45% and both diesels are wrecks. Since I saw nothing, I can only expect a mine. I scan around the ship using external view to maybe spot more of them, but nothing. I have to quit, but am still in range of Helgoland, so dock there. I think I hit a mine, but is that even possible when TC is set as high as 1024x? Does a visible mine set off an alarm and TC back to 1x like finding a ship? It startled the sh*t out of me anyway

01-17-08, 01:56 PM	#2
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Try the 'When critically damaged' setting __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-17-08, 01:58 PM	#4
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	you can hit the mine at any time compression IIRC... i remember wondering why i would get the sudden death screen and every time i entered a specific area around scapa flow but then it dawned on me.... MINES! so yeah... you might be on the lookout for mines in shallow waters... and generally while cruising on the surface you probably wont get struck but thats still a risk. __________________

01-17-08, 02:12 PM	#6
Blacklight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,507 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	You DID hit a mine. I got a message in early 1940 that the British were dropping mines all around Heligoland..especially to the west of it. After January 1940, give Heligoland a wide berth. __________________ Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud. "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes !"

01-17-08, 02:36 PM	#9
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	depends on the depth of the water... i have seen a mine or two break the surface in rough weather... but most mines are set to strik a submarine while at periscope depth so they will be 10 - 15 meters below the surface. I have not personally encountered mines in water deeper than about 40 meters depth __________________

01-17-08, 02:53 PM	#10
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-17-08, 09:00 PM	#13
3Jane Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: York. Northern England. Posts: 1,004 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I hit one off the Scottish coast. Some are quite shallow. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...621#post745621 __________________ Fate opposes me in vitality and morality, forced ever onward, burdened, always in shackles. So this very moment, without tarrying, pluck the quivering strings. Because fate punishes the one who plays, all lament with me. (http://hosted.filefront.com/KatherineRowan)

01-17-08, 09:12 PM	#14
Blacklight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,507 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	This is why I completely try to stay off the continental shelves, especially around enemy countries. I'm not happy unless I'm in a nice deep area. __________________ Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud. "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes !"

01-17-08, 09:36 PM	#15
Fincuan Admiral Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Suomi, sauna, puukko, perkele Posts: 2,346 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	I remember this story about a u-boat in the Bay of Biscay. They were travelling submereged, and all of a sudden could hear a scraping sound. The skipper concluded pretty quickly that it must be a mine, or the chain more precisely, and fearing that it could snag onto something and pull the mine to their boat he ordered a turn(don't remember which way). The scraping sound moved towards the rear as tension increased, until at some point.... BOOOOM! I don't remember the boat, when it happened or where I read this, but try to find out. If it's true then there obviously must have been survivors. edit: Well, it looks like there are several possible boats. For example U-526 and U-171

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