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Well, you know that Vice Admiral Christie was a strange old bird. We talked earlier about how he insisted that Commander Sam Dealey take him out on a cruise, and reportedly, allegedly, possibly not, ordered Dealey to raise his conning tower above the surface to lure one of the DD's in for one of his famous "down the throat" shots. And we detailed how they covered for each other after the fact. In it's "remember this" series, the US Subvets of WWII have an even more interesting take on the situation where Admiral Christie functionally admits giving the order!
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Say what you will about the hardcore sim crowd, the lack of response to real information shows that even they are primarily interested in subjective gameplay issues rather than historical facts. This really bodes well for the new add-on. Ubi came to the same conclusion and went with what people really want, which is very different from what they SAY they want.
The first thing you learn selling anything is that people lie. You have to penetrate through what they say they want and sell them what they REALLY want. That's a tough order.
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Eternal Patrol
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I'm not sure what your point is about the "hardcore sim crowd". I didn't respond yesterday because I haven't been online since the day before that. It's an interesting story, but again, is there a point beyond Admiral Christie's "strangeness"?
Is it about criticizing players who make a point of attacking destroyers (as I recently did)? Sure it was done, but it took torpedoes away from the job of sinking merchants and it was also risky. Remember, Harder didn't come back from her sixth patrol. Quote:
http://www.submarinebooks.com/DestroyerKiller.htm I don't condemn gamers for playing like gamers, but I'm more impressed when they play as if their life was really on the line. And if what I just wrote has nothing to do with what you meant, I'll crawl back under my bridge and wait for some defenseless billy-goats to come along. ![]()
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Hmmmmm. What's my point? (do I have to have a point? I'm in trouble here ![]() Balanced on that is Christie's foreward to the book "Destroyer Killer," which I have and you reference with that link, where Christie takes responsibility for sending Sam Dealey out on one too many missions when he knew better. That's a surprising amount of humility from the man who ordered Dealey to force the "down the throat." I just think the real life complexity is so much richer than the "sonar shouldn't work on the surface dammit!" hardcore simmers who usually operate on very limited factual ground. There are plenty of other examples. Those who pride themselves on "historical accuracy" are usually actually primarily concerned with balance between player and enemy that makes for their subjective goal of great gameplay. Just like I did with the Dick O'Kane attack method, after they come to their conclusion, they ask "is there ANY way I can historically justify this?" Guilty as charged.:rotfl:
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The fun part is reading (or hearing or watching) stories about guys who actually did these things ... the type of things some of us assume are impossible. Or, at least, improbable. It doesn't really bother me when modders change the simulation to reflect a logical (but erroneous) assumption (or two) about the operation and/or capabilities of American subs (and/or Japanese defenses) during World War II. Just as long as they don't convince the devs to do likewise. 'Cause my only assumption is that the devs did a whole lot of research to get the simulation where it is ... and that official patches (the kind that can't be changed by most of us) are for fixing real bugs. |
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