A message from Kapitan_Phillips

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Listen people. I've noticed that Subsim has become a little more hostile over the time I've been gone. Now I've had a perfectly acceptable reason for being absent, I've been in America for the the first time in my life, specifically, Barnesville Georgia. I met the Subsim angel, Frau_Phillips.

But you know what? I'm back. And I wont stand for whats going on in Subsim right now. I see neo-Nazism for crying out loud. Its time to stop. I might not hold Moderator status, I might not hold much sway in this community, but damnit I'm making this pledge to all of you.

I'm here to maintain an absolutley hilarious environment. There will NOT be one day where I will go without bringing you people some form of giggle, that I promise.

Sermon over. This is Subsim, and I'm going to defend it to the end.

[Hakahura]

Good Message!

The sentiments of which should be the number one sticky!

[SUBMAN1]

I don't think anyone was being serious, but I guess some people took it seriously.

-S

[Tchocky]

He's been talking to the angel, we'd better do what he says

[Skybird]

At least three threads in short time with comments in explicit defense of Nazi crimes and Nazi policies and Nazi distortions of history, the same for totalitarian dogmas. I support Kapitan Phillips' call. I'm driving a zero tolerance policy on Nazi ideology in special and totalitarian ideologies in general, and had conflicts for that reason in my real life, all of which ended with some bastard's butt flying out of the backdoor, carrying a stamp from my boot. That's the only reasonable way to deal with Nazis, since they have too little brains as if they could make sense of what you are telling them in discussions. The late and silent management reactions, if any, were not really of help to prevent it from getting spread.

And some comments, Subman, were very obviously meant serious - but if nevertheless they were not meant serious, than it was a most stupid thing to speak them out and call it "funny". In Germany, for some of the things being said you could be arrested and face court.

[joea]

Right on Kaptain Phillips. You're one of the decent valued members here.

[sunvalleyslim]

I'm with you there Kaptain Phillips................

[Bort]

I find that all of the hostility in here recently has lead to me frequenting this forum less and less, and that I hate. Make it better, guys.

[Seth8530]

Originally Posted by Skybird

At least three threads in short time with comments in explicit defense of Nazi crimes and Nazi policies and Nazi distortions of history, the same for totalitarian dogmas. I support Kapitan Phillips' call. I'm driving a zero tolerance policy on Nazi ideology in special and totalitarian ideologies in general, and had conflicts for that reason in my real life, all of which ended with some bastard's butt flying out of the backdoor, carrying a stamp from my boot. That's the only reasonable way to deal with Nazis, since they have too little brains as if they could make sense of what you are telling them in discussions. The late and silent management reactions, if any, were not really of help to prevent it from getting spread.

And some comments, Subman, were very obviously meant serious - but if nevertheless they were not meant serious, than it was a most stupid thing to speak them out and call it "funny". In Germany, for some of the things being said you could be arrested and face court.

I strongly disagree with you for once skybird, I believe that the nazi were wrong and did horribal things but to cover up history and to limit people freedom of expression just becuse of different views is WRONG. I believe that if they are being intentionaly racist or degrading let the MODS kick them in the teeth but otherwise they are fine.

The whole concept of a forum is to let ideas flow not to show one side. For instance who knows behind all the rage and hate maybe there was a good person or good intention in their somewhere who knows:hmm:


But btw NAZI's SUCK!

[August]

I hate nazis, and i will not be civil to them.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Sermon over. This is Subsim, and I'm going to defend it to the end.

[I-25]

well said kapitan_phillips Very well said indeed. tough i must say that pro-nazi's aint the only radicals around here

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by Seth8530

I strongly disagree with you for once skybird, I believe that the nazi were wrong and did horribal things but to cover up history and to limit people freedom of expression just becuse of different views is WRONG. I believe that if they are being intentionaly racist or degrading let the MODS kick them in the teeth but otherwise they are fine.

The whole concept of a forum is to let ideas flow not to show one side. For instance who knows behind all the rage and hate maybe there was a good person or good intention in their somewhere who knows:hmm:


But btw NAZI's SUCK!

There is a very big difference between using National Socialism to prove a point and saying things like "Re-open Auschwitz". Thats what I'm talking about, that kind of horsesh** that gives forums a bad name.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Seth8530

I strongly disagree with you for once skybird, I believe that the nazi were wrong and did horribal things but to cover up history and to limit people freedom of expression just becuse of different views is WRONG. I believe that if they are being intentionaly racist or degrading let the MODS kick them in the teeth but otherwise they are fine.

The whole concept of a forum is to let ideas flow not to show one side. For instance who knows behind all the rage and hate maybe there was a good person or good intention in their somewhere who knows:hmm:


But btw NAZI's SUCK!

You probably also disagree with German laws then to ban Hitler's Mein Kampf, or putting denial of the Holocaust under legal penalty (prison up to 3 or 5 years, I do not remember exactly). Well, I frankly admit that my understanding of free speech knows limits. You are approaching these boundaries when you talk in favour of destruction of state, constitution and/or soceity, call for murder and genocide, and you already have overstepped these boundaries of free speech when spreading Nazi propaganda. That's how I see it. And I do not welcome the slow and silent reactions by the mods. I would have expected them to openly brandmark the Nazi comments and their authors.

Free speech can be abused. And I do not see why that should go unopposed.

In reference to Kapitan Phillips latest reply I want to point out that it is not only about Nazi comments, we recently had some debate about China and some very dirty remarks in there, too, minimizing genocide and mass murder. The same person giving these comments already had repeatedly been warned by both Takeda and Neal just short time before, and in the weeks before was identified by several board members of being a Nazi trouble maker in other places as well.

you just cant walk around and say things like "Reopen Auschwitz", minimize the Nazis by saying "they only fight for their land and soil", and saying a country (Tibet) that fell victim to genocide and saw over 1 million murdered is "being better off" under rule of the murderers. And it does not serve a forum's reputation too well if such comments and such audience are tolerated. Becasue these comments are highly specific, whereas we often have discussions of critical things and hot issues that are tolerated as long as certain things are thought over on an abstract, non- specific level.

[Seth8530]

[quote=Skybird]

Originally Posted by Seth8530

You probably also disagree with German laws then to ban Hitler's Mein Kampf, or putting denial of the Holocaust under legal penalty (prison up to 3 or 5 years, I do not remember exactly). Well, I frankly admit that my understanding of free speech knows limits. You are approaching these boundaries when you talk in favour of destruction of state, constitution and/or soceity, call for murder and genocide, and you already have overstepped these boundaries of free speech when spreading Nazi propaganda. That's how I see it. And I do not welcome the slow and silent reactions by the mods. I would have expected them to openly brandmark the Nazi comments and their authors.

Free speech can be abused. And I do not see why that should go unopposed..

I believe in free speach( no matter how stupid you make yourself look) and I believe that Mien Kampf should be available to purchase ( God help whoever believes what in their) Also i take offence to your comment about me "spreading Nazi propaganda" The Big problem with both Communism and National Socailism is that they are un-realistic goverments. Sure they may work for a while but the world aint perfect and these goverments curroupt very easily in our very un-perfect world. (as my spelling shows) My point is these are great govs on paper but when put into action can cause terrible things such as the hollocaust, or a lot of the crimes the commies did. Pleased ont take me wrong i am not a nazi.