Russian FAE "commensurate with a nuclear weapon"

Skybird · 09-11-07, 06:16 PM

The most powerful vacuum bomb, they say.

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp...c=worldupdates

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...USSIA-BOMB.xml

It is ecologically clean, they also say.
Logcial, if no human activity is around anymore.

bookworm_020 · 09-11-07, 11:04 PM

Clean??? Does it clean up it's own mess after it goes boom?:hmm:

Didn't the MOAB bomb use a simlar principle???

Chock · 09-11-07, 11:18 PM

I think they nicked the idea from this:

Chock

Letum · 09-12-07, 12:57 AM

Isn't the explosive speed significantly lower for FAEs, or have I just been missing out on developments since the last world war?

I wonder how heavy this bomb is. If it can't be carried by tactical aircraft or missiles than it can't be much use. (for all I know it could be feather weight compared to nukes of the same rating!)

I'm sure it's green credentials will bring a reassuring, warm feeling to the harts of all who are to perish by it. /strangelove blog

The Avon Lady · 09-12-07, 02:03 AM

Think of the home use of a small version of one of these.

1. Set the timer.

2. Go out the front door. Close it behind you.

3. Wait for the boom sound.

4. Presto! House vacuumed and cleaned. No muss, no fuss!

Dmitry Markov · 09-12-07, 02:06 AM

I've read it is designed to be carried by an aircraft ( TU-22 maybe

). Don't know all the details but weight of explosive is less than MOAB's

Let's get rid of the nukes!

Letum · 09-12-07, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Think of the home use of a small version of one of these.

1. Set the timer.

2. Go out the front door. Close it behind you.

3. Wait for the boom sound.

4. Presto! House vacuumed and cleaned. No muss, no fuss!

:hmm:
Remember to add a shake when blowing up your house!

Do the shake and vac!

That's SHAKE Avon, not Shiek!

Skybird · 09-12-07, 04:05 AM

The weapon was delivered by a Tu-160, which is the Russian counterpart to the B-1.

Dmitry Markov · 09-12-07, 04:41 AM

It was only my suggestion about TU-22 since I don't have much info on that bomb. Maybe our Air Forces would buy some more TU-160's since they now can carry these bombs and can be used not only as a part of strategic force. But I think that our guys would develop something smaller to be carried by TU-22's or even by Su-34's as TU-160's are more expensive to build and to mantain in order.

Letum · 09-12-07, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

The weapon was delivered by a Tu-160, which is the Russian counterpart to the B-1.

I suspect strategic bombers will be mainly useless when fighting any major power. To easy to shoot them down.....right?

If this is just a "provincial" weapon then does Russia have much to show off about above the technical feat?

Skybird · 09-12-07, 05:26 AM

An air raid by a flight of Tu-160 with according missiles is a thread that would give me a headache if I were a military commander.

I think this FAE bomb serves two purposes. first to make a waving gesture at the West, and second to be eventually used against Islamic separatists, terrorists and in local wars in the southern provinces. Also, eventually, to bust bunkers with nuclear research facilities - you know the scenario. Beyond that latter purpose, Russian generals tend to act with lesser sense for subtleties than their Western counterparts. One can take that as a criticism, or a compliment - depends on your perspective.

the Tu-160, by looks, reminds of the B1, but it is much heavier than the B-52 (!), with a maximum take off weight exceeding that of the B52. It is equipped with terrain-following radar, and thus the conclusion that it can act in very high altitudes as well as close to the ground, approaching targets by masking its presence behind terrain features. The White Swan, as the plane is called in Russian, can carry a maximum total of 40 tons in weapons load (although under operational conditions it is a safe bet to assume that most commanders would prefer a lighter weapons load not to totally cripple agility of the plane).

definitely a thread to be taken serious.

Tchocky · 09-12-07, 05:36 AM

Didn't a flight of Blackjacks sneak past US/Canadian/NATO radar sometime last year?

*fuzzy memory*

The Avon Lady · 09-12-07, 06:40 AM

Video

Oberon · 09-12-07, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Didn't a flight of Blackjacks sneak past US/Canadian/NATO radar sometime last year?

*fuzzy memory*

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Russian_...ace_undetected

SUBMAN1 · 09-12-07, 11:29 AM

I'm questioning if it is a true FAE. FAE's put themselves out after a certain amount of Fuel / air mixture - it ceases to exist about the time it exists, so the resulting explosion can never happen if it is too big. I beleive this limit is about 2000 lbs.

-S

09-11-07, 06:16 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,629 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Russian FAE "commensurate with a nuclear weapon" The most powerful vacuum bomb, they say. http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp...c=worldupdates http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...USSIA-BOMB.xml It is ecologically clean, they also say. Logcial, if no human activity is around anymore. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-11-07, 11:04 PM	#2
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Clean??? Does it clean up it's own mess after it goes boom?:hmm: Didn't the MOAB bomb use a simlar principle??? __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

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Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think they nicked the idea from this: Chock __________________

09-12-07, 12:57 AM	#4
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Isn't the explosive speed significantly lower for FAEs, or have I just been missing out on developments since the last world war? I wonder how heavy this bomb is. If it can't be carried by tactical aircraft or missiles than it can't be much use. (for all I know it could be feather weight compared to nukes of the same rating!) I'm sure it's green credentials will bring a reassuring, warm feeling to the harts of all who are to perish by it. /strangelove blog __________________ Last edited by Letum; 09-12-07 at 01:56 AM.

09-12-07, 02:03 AM	#5
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Think of the home use of a small version of one of these. 1. Set the timer. 2. Go out the front door. Close it behind you. 3. Wait for the boom sound. 4. Presto! House vacuumed and cleaned. No muss, no fuss! __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

09-12-07, 02:06 AM	#6
Dmitry Markov Officer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Moscow, Russian Federation Posts: 236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I've read it is designed to be carried by an aircraft ( TU-22 maybe ). Don't know all the details but weight of explosive is less than MOAB's Let's get rid of the nukes! __________________ Большому кораблю - большая торпеда!

09-12-07, 04:05 AM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,629 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The weapon was delivered by a Tu-160, which is the Russian counterpart to the B-1. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-12-07, 04:41 AM	#9
Dmitry Markov Officer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Moscow, Russian Federation Posts: 236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It was only my suggestion about TU-22 since I don't have much info on that bomb. Maybe our Air Forces would buy some more TU-160's since they now can carry these bombs and can be used not only as a part of strategic force. But I think that our guys would develop something smaller to be carried by TU-22's or even by Su-34's as TU-160's are more expensive to build and to mantain in order. __________________ Большому кораблю - большая торпеда!

09-12-07, 05:26 AM	#11
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,629 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	An air raid by a flight of Tu-160 with according missiles is a thread that would give me a headache if I were a military commander. I think this FAE bomb serves two purposes. first to make a waving gesture at the West, and second to be eventually used against Islamic separatists, terrorists and in local wars in the southern provinces. Also, eventually, to bust bunkers with nuclear research facilities - you know the scenario. Beyond that latter purpose, Russian generals tend to act with lesser sense for subtleties than their Western counterparts. One can take that as a criticism, or a compliment - depends on your perspective. the Tu-160, by looks, reminds of the B1, but it is much heavier than the B-52 (!), with a maximum take off weight exceeding that of the B52. It is equipped with terrain-following radar, and thus the conclusion that it can act in very high altitudes as well as close to the ground, approaching targets by masking its presence behind terrain features. The White Swan, as the plane is called in Russian, can carry a maximum total of 40 tons in weapons load (although under operational conditions it is a safe bet to assume that most commanders would prefer a lighter weapons load not to totally cripple agility of the plane). definitely a thread to be taken serious. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-12-07, 05:36 AM	#12
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Didn't a flight of Blackjacks sneak past US/Canadian/NATO radar sometime last year? fuzzy memory __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

09-12-07, 06:40 AM	#13
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Video __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

09-12-07, 11:29 AM	#15
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm questioning if it is a true FAE. FAE's put themselves out after a certain amount of Fuel / air mixture - it ceases to exist about the time it exists, so the resulting explosion can never happen if it is too big. I beleive this limit is about 2000 lbs. -S __________________

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