Sub behavior in heavy seas....

Schunken · 03-26-07, 02:19 PM

Hello!

Be I wrong or in SH3 the Subs follow more the heavy seas (ride the waves) ???

The SH4 Subs seemed very static to me, I mean (not native english) the sub cut trough the heavy seas with 2/3 "fly in the air" instead of pitch up and down....

???

Andreas

ParaB · 03-26-07, 02:24 PM

Yes, the subs often behave quite strange in rough seas. I've seen my Porpoise-class sub literally jump out of the water (even posted a screenshot). Just another quirk of SH4.

03-26-07, 02:30 PM

I think in general the subs ride too high in the water. The freeboard should be about three feet lower. I've tried to fix it using the old running decks awash trick from SH3 but It doesn't want to work.

AVGWarhawk · 03-26-07, 02:33 PM

Seems to be the same engine for this game as SH3. Same deal, subs cut through the water and not ride it. GWX handled that in SH3 so perhaps someone will do the same for SH4.

kiwi_2005 · 03-26-07, 02:34 PM

well according to the Das Boot movie:p the Uboats shot up then came crashing down in rough weather, in a real situation some uboat watch crew were found to be drown or missing when the next watch went up on deck.

I was hoping SHIV would have this heavy seas effects on the US boats.

Arrowhead2k1 · 03-26-07, 02:42 PM

BTW, anybody run in to any crazy weather like the Monsoons that were talked about? Or was this just more BS from the pre-release hype machine?

Quote:

Speaking of risky business, I didn't get to play the game enough to evaluate the weather but I'm told your deck watch may take casualties in monsoons.

http://www.subsim.com/sh4/demo_sh4.php

Mud · 03-26-07, 02:52 PM

I've seen some rough weather yes if that what you mean , heavy fog and rain for days with winds 15 mps.

Mud

bobo · 03-26-07, 02:32 PM

Noticed this also.
It's as though the sub is on a constant plane only rocking slightly from a middle pivot point with no ability to rise or fall with the ocean. This was probably the case in SH3 as well but I must say that I didn't notice it in SH3 whereas in SH4 it's very noticeable to me.
Need to at least increase the sensitivity to wave effects.

CaptJodan · 03-26-07, 02:41 PM

Gonna add my voice to this one as well. SH3 wasn't perfect, but it seems more pronounced in SH4, possibly because the boats are bigger or something. As stated, some boats also ride way too high out of the water. One of my boats was nearly completely out at one point and you saw the screws above the water more than below it.

It's relatively minor, but it's also an immersion thing. So I hope to see some improvements in the wave action to the boat.

StandingCow · 05-25-07, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptJodan

Gonna add my voice to this one as well. SH3 wasn't perfect, but it seems more pronounced in SH4, possibly because the boats are bigger or something. As stated, some boats also ride way too high out of the water. One of my boats was nearly completely out at one point and you saw the screws above the water more than below it.

It's relatively minor, but it's also an immersion thing. So I hope to see some improvements in the wave action to the boat.

Benard fill the sub with helium again?

PepsiCan · 05-25-07, 09:03 AM

Hi

I subscribe to this and it is not only an issue when you're surfaced. I notice that when submerged at periscope depth in heavy seas my whole conning tower resurfaces/becomes visible in the trough of a wave.

Very odd and I also do not know (although I do have a suspicion) whether that means that destroyers can visibly see you (you're visibly visible, but the in game depth meter says you're at 60 feet).

Fish40 · 05-25-07, 04:30 PM

I think this problem was addressed in RFB. By changing the wave attenuation value in the cfg. , the subs no longer fly out of the water in rough weather (at least that's what I'm seeing so far), but rather they slice through it more naturally.

I agree that the pitch and roll motion definitely needs work.

03-26-07, 02:19 PM	#1
Schunken Medic Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 168 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Sub behavior in heavy seas.... Hello! Be I wrong or in SH3 the Subs follow more the heavy seas (ride the waves) ??? The SH4 Subs seemed very static to me, I mean (not native english) the sub cut trough the heavy seas with 2/3 "fly in the air" instead of pitch up and down.... ??? Andreas

03-26-07, 02:33 PM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Seems to be the same engine for this game as SH3. Same deal, subs cut through the water and not ride it. GWX handled that in SH3 so perhaps someone will do the same for SH4. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

03-26-07, 02:34 PM	#5
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	well according to the Das Boot movie:p the Uboats shot up then came crashing down in rough weather, in a real situation some uboat watch crew were found to be drown or missing when the next watch went up on deck. I was hoping SHIV would have this heavy seas effects on the US boats. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

03-26-07, 02:52 PM	#7
Mud Captain Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 541 Downloads: 50 Uploads: 0	I've seen some rough weather yes if that what you mean , heavy fog and rain for days with winds 15 mps. Mud __________________

03-26-07, 02:32 PM	#8
bobo Bosun Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 64 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Noticed this also. It's as though the sub is on a constant plane only rocking slightly from a middle pivot point with no ability to rise or fall with the ocean. This was probably the case in SH3 as well but I must say that I didn't notice it in SH3 whereas in SH4 it's very noticeable to me. Need to at least increase the sensitivity to wave effects. __________________ System Specs: HP xw8400 workstation Vista Enterprise 64bit 2x 3.00GHz dual core Xeon 6GB RAM Primary drive 4x 146GB 10k SAS Raid 0 Backup drive 2x 500GB SATA Raid 1 8800GTS Superclocked 320MB SBAudigy with 5.1 speaker setup HP 24inch Widescreen LCD

03-26-07, 02:24 PM	#2
ParaB Chief Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 327 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Yes, the subs often behave quite strange in rough seas. I've seen my Porpoise-class sub literally jump out of the water (even posted a screenshot). Just another quirk of SH4.

03-26-07, 02:30 PM	#3
waste gate Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I think in general the subs ride too high in the water. The freeboard should be about three feet lower. I've tried to fix it using the old running decks awash trick from SH3 but It doesn't want to work.

03-26-07, 02:41 PM	#9
CaptJodan A-ganger Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 75 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Gonna add my voice to this one as well. SH3 wasn't perfect, but it seems more pronounced in SH4, possibly because the boats are bigger or something. As stated, some boats also ride way too high out of the water. One of my boats was nearly completely out at one point and you saw the screws above the water more than below it. It's relatively minor, but it's also an immersion thing. So I hope to see some improvements in the wave action to the boat.

05-25-07, 09:03 AM	#11
PepsiCan Planesman Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 189 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Not only a problem surfaced Hi I subscribe to this and it is not only an issue when you're surfaced. I notice that when submerged at periscope depth in heavy seas my whole conning tower resurfaces/becomes visible in the trough of a wave. Very odd and I also do not know (although I do have a suspicion) whether that means that destroyers can visibly see you (you're visibly visible, but the in game depth meter says you're at 60 feet). __________________ =================== AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.1Ghz 1Gb RAM MSI NVidia 6800 128MB MSI motherboard Realtek soundcard Windows XP Pro SP2 ===================

05-25-07, 04:30 PM	#12
Fish40 The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yonkers, NY U.S.A. Posts: 1,507 Downloads: 154 Uploads: 0	I think this problem was addressed in RFB. By changing the wave attenuation value in the cfg. , the subs no longer fly out of the water in rough weather (at least that's what I'm seeing so far), but rather they slice through it more naturally. I agree that the pitch and roll motion definitely needs work.

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