NRA opposes bill to stop gun sales to terror suspects

[Enigma]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The National Rifle Association is urging the Bush administration to withdraw its support of a bill that would prohibit suspected terrorists from buying firearms.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/04/nra....ap/index.html

[elite_hunter_sh3]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

do they get any more stupid????

[August]

"would allow arbitrary denial of Second Amendment rights based on mere 'suspicions' of a terrorist threat." "As many of our friends in law enforcement have rightly pointed out, the word 'suspect' has no legal meaning, particularly when it comes to denying constitutional liberties," Cox wrote.

To law enforcement community:


I suspect elite_hunter_sh3 (if that is his real name) is a terrorist. If he enters the US please withhold all consitutional rights from him. Then we'll see how stupid he thinks it is...

[MadMike]

Have any of you bothered to read the bill?


NRA-ILA Opposes Justice Department Proposal "Friday, May 04, 2007 Last week, the U.S. Department of Justice sent a legislative proposal, along with a letter of support, to Congressional leaders. The legislative proposal would allow this - or any future - Attorney General to deny a firearm purchase to individuals on terrorist "watch lists" without due process of law. Anti-gun Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) has already introduced the legislation (S. 1237)."

Yours, Mike

[JetSnake]

Alot of names on a terrorist watch list are similar sounding names/ shouldn't be there/ etc. So even though this seems like a great bill, it does in fact prohibit people whose god-given rights will be trampled. Besides, if a terrorist isn't allowed to legally buy a firearm, do you think that will stop them from illegally buying one?

[Etienne]

Originally Posted by JetSnake

Alot of names on a terrorist watch list are similar sounding names/ shouldn't be there/ etc. So even though this seems like a great bill, it does in fact prohibit people whose god-given rights will be trampled.

And God said, "Let them have guns." And man had guns, and God saw that it was good.

I'm paraphrasing, I don't have a copy of Genesis handy.

[RedMenace]

Originally Posted by Etienne

And God said, "Let them have guns." And man had guns, and God saw that it was good.

I'm paraphrasing, I don't have a copy of Genesis handy.

:rotfl:

[August]

Originally Posted by Etienne

And God said, "Let them have guns." And man had guns, and God saw that it was good.

I'm paraphrasing, I don't have a copy of Genesis handy.

You're from Canada, we wouldn't expect you to understand.

You do realize that the right to keep and bear arms was a misprint - it was supposed to be the right to keep and arm Bears...be a lot less problems if you had a grizzly with an AK

[Nostromo]

I'd be for the the bill, I can't see whats so bad as to denying terrorist's the privilege to buy weapons.

At least legally. Not much you can do about Ilegally:hmm:

[joea]

[quote=August
To law enforcement community:


I suspect elite_hunter_sh3 (if that is his real name) is a terrorist. If he enters the US please withhold all consitutional rights from him. Then we'll see how stupid he thinks it is...[/quote]

To be serious for a moment, a foreigner (ie. non-American citizen, not sure about legal immigrants green card holders etc.) would not have the same Constitutional rights as an American? To everyone, this isn't so much about gun control, as the fact of withholding Constitutional rights (whether we agree with the particular right or not ) from someone with a "suspicious" name.

[Tchocky]

I don't like the idea of public gun ownership, but I like the idea of summary discrimination even less

[wireman]

I occasionally fly with a guy who has the exact same name as someone on the "Terrorist watch list". I dread going through customs with him as I become a target due to "guilt by association". It has gotten so bad that I have called in sick to avoid the hassle if we have a trip that requires going through customs and immigration. The idea of public gun ownership is one facet that keeps us from becomming like the rest of the world. It is part of our "Checks and balences". So there,Naaaa.

[fatty]

The bill would work if the terror list itself wasn't so asinine. My dad is flagged to such an end that he is taken aside whenever he travels outside of the U.S. and is questioned in a private room in front of a video camera. We think this is because he was outside of the country during 9/11 and his citizenship is technically British, but of course we will never be sure. If they won't take his word that he's not a terrorist, maybe his position as a chapter director of the American Red Cross would convince them, or the significant aid he has sent to survivors of Katrina and hurricanes on the Outer Banks. But I guess that's just a good cover, right?

If reasonable suspicion can be raised through due process, then it's a start to fix the horrible mess that is the terror watch list.

As far as "God-given rights," well, there are over 2,000,000 incarcerated in the U.S. prison system. I don't think prisoners are allowed to have guns. I think this is a good thing. Potential terrorists - not of the 70-year-old Englishman or other arbitrarily-suspected variety - shouldn't be allowed to have guns either.

[JSLTIGER]

Originally Posted by joea

To be serious for a moment, a foreigner (ie. non-American citizen, not sure about legal immigrants green card holders etc.) would not have the same Constitutional rights as an American? To everyone, this isn't so much about gun control, as the fact of withholding Constitutional rights (whether we agree with the particular right or not ) from someone with a "suspicious" name.

Actually, non-US citizens are NOT protected by the Constitution. There are some very clear legal precendents regarding this.