Sh 4 on a Mac?

Anyone know how to run SH 4 on a Mac? I can run it under Bootcamp but would like to run on Mac os. I'm very new to Mac Pro and heard about Wine but would like to know how to use it.

[Rockin Robbins]

Wine is also used in Linux, same basic operating system as Mac but absolutely free and able to be run legally on all PC's (because there are no Macs any more, just PCs. Apple's only computer product is its operating system).

Anyway, I am unable to get Wine to play amicably with SH4, although I can run Steam in a crippled kind of way.

Both OSX and Linux share the same defect in that they were consciously designed not to play games, which were looked upon as a trivial waste of the computer's awesome business prowess. One thing you can take to the bank every day is the assumption of Apple Computer's arrogance.

As it turns out, one major factor in the superiority of the Windows platform has been its endorsement of games. They have pushed graphics capability, sound handling and processing power far beyond what business applications would require, making inexpensive, superior components available for all.

It was so successful in creating superior architecture that Apple surrendered the hardware field to market generic PCs for inflated prices, justifying their existence by the the inclusion of OSX, unavailable on an identical machine not sold by them. I sneer in their general direction.

The Linux guys are showing some smarts. I wouldn't be surprised to see games working well on Linux very soon, maybe with game companies producing versions designed to work with Linux.

For now, your best bet on native Mac is Steam. As for Apple and games, who knows? You DO know that they regard you as a renter of their machine. They will decide what runs and what doesn't on the machine you paid too much for, but do not have ownership rights to.

Give me the anarchy of the Windows/Linux world any time. Totalitarianism just makes me mad.

[Daniel Prates]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Give me the anarchy of the Windows/Linux world any time. Totalitarianism just makes me mad.

This gem of a quote by RR shows well why there are so many people wiling to support tirants. Its just that, for most day-to-day issues, they are like MACs: they make things work!

[Rockin Robbins]

Like trojan horse malware! They finally got 600,000 Macs successfully running the Trojan and are about to declare total victory over the Wndows world as a result!

They've had their share of fake anti-virus shenanigans too. You know, when you are arrogant enough to claim you are immune from malware, justice will come your way. The fact was that the number of Mac users was so insignificant there was no money to be made with the malware. Apparently someone is now fed up with their arrogance or there are enough Macs to make it worthwhile. There is NOTHING superior about Apple in regards to malware, and the long bumpy ride is just beginning. Fasten your seatbelts.

[aanker]

SH4 on a Mac - one way:

It's best if I just quote Kim who posted this procedure he used in a public forum about a year ago. I was amazed he could run SH4 on a Mac! His native language is not English but he does alright:

Kim Rønhof wrote:

It has to be a rather new Mac that uses an intel processor ! Then you buy a windows 7 package for a new machine and install it.
That's not easy - as you have to partitionate your machine with a windows partition, this can be done with boot camp a program that comes with the Mac - I only gave mine 35 GB - that was a bad idea, as windows 7 gobbles up disk place as a child a chocolate cake.

You have to download some extra files from Apple (And they didn't know that at Humac !!!!)- they have to be placed on a USB key - that has to formatted especially as a boot start key. Then you start up windows 7 via Bootcamp.

But if you do that you can install windows 7 -
I'm going to redo the process and give windows 50 GB - as I now know that everything else works for SH4 including my tools.

There is an alternative possibility there are program that let you run mac and windows programs simultaneously - but with a game like SH4 I want all resources for the game.

Hope this helps.

Happy Hunting!

Art

[Rockin Robbins]

Darn! I sure wish Kim would allow me to post the latest version of his brilliant SH4 Report. For some reason, last time I asked he turned me down flat with no explanation.

With SH4 Report you save your cruise on return BEFORE you dock. It downloads all your accomplishments for that cruise and compiles them into an all-inclusive report that just blows my socks off! We could guarantee him a large and appreciative user base, that's for sure.

Aanker, do you think he would let YOU post it here?

[TorpX]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Like trojan horse malware! They finally got 600,000 Macs successfully running the Trojan and are about to declare total victory over the Wndows world as a result!

They've had their share of fake anti-virus shenanigans too. You know, when you are arrogant enough to claim you are immune from malware, justice will come your way. The fact was that the number of Mac users was so insignificant there was no money to be made with the malware. Apparently someone is now fed up with their arrogance or there are enough Macs to make it worthwhile. There is NOTHING superior about Apple in regards to malware, and the long bumpy ride is just beginning. Fasten your seatbelts.

He he, that immunity wasn't going to last forever.

iMacs, iBooks, iPods, iPads, iPhones, iWhatevers, i........

Their stuff may be good, but I don't want to have to join a cult.

[Rockin Robbins]

I hear they sacrifice children in pits of lava!

[aanker]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Aanker, do you think he would let YOU post it here?

I don't know, I could see but if he said no he will probably stick to his guns. However he is one of the nicest guys I know. At one time I was going to feature his tools on a website and got permission for that easy enough but I never did make the entire website. Furthermore another member was already featuring them.

People would love his Tbox tool. Can select boat, mission, etc including what kind of whiskey you prefer - it was almost that detailed how you could set up your patrol. Patrols are selected by ID numbers so it used that and other features of SH4 file information to set up patrols. Another guy edited the campaign layers including re-doing all special missions to only be missions that were actually conducted in real life. He also created all forward bases. Kim's Tbox combined with that campaign layers cycles mod with its ID#'s and then the report tool you mentioned as a package with SH4 were a lot of fun. I don't know why more people didn't sign on. How much more realistic could it get?

Long story short nobody joined the PTC to use these outstanding tools and layers, people got discouraged and left, and afaik there are only a handful remaining. The campaign layers have a license which is too bad. I believe in freeware but people are people and try and sell other people's work which is probably why they have the license.

You got the long version here so you have the background knowledge to help understand the answer to your question. There are a lot of factors intertwined to that not so simple "no".

Man, that's a sad story - made myself sad reading it... lol

Happy Hunting!

Art

Edit - okay, keep your fingers crossed

[joea]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Like trojan horse malware! They finally got 600,000 Macs successfully running the Trojan and are about to declare total victory over the Wndows world as a result!

They've had their share of fake anti-virus shenanigans too. You know, when you are arrogant enough to claim you are immune from malware, justice will come your way. The fact was that the number of Mac users was so insignificant there was no money to be made with the malware. Apparently someone is now fed up with their arrogance or there are enough Macs to make it worthwhile. There is NOTHING superior about Apple in regards to malware, and the long bumpy ride is just beginning. Fasten your seatbelts.

Wow, I know lots of people with Macs and none of them are arrogant, including the OP I hope, he just asked for help and you launched the tirade. There are plenty of games that run on Macs w/o bootcamp these days (including Skyrim which surprised me) - and a lot of folks know how to do lots of stuff that would surprise you.

I have an HP with Win 7 (the best OS by MS to date until Win 9 rolls out ) and it runs very fine thank you-and an iPhone 4 I am very happy with. I don't give a damn what computers or smartphones etc you ike to use-I just get sick of the assumptions held by many on this forum and the fact it is always the haters that rant. Reminds me of the SH4/SH3 days.

[QUOTE=joea;1873354]Wow, ..., he just asked for help and you launched the tirade. There are plenty of games that run on Macs w/o bootcamp these days /QUOTE]

And I am one of them, i.e.; using Bootcamp. I was surprised at the replies, especially from RR. But, I decided to "let it go". They wanted to hijack this thread and nothing was going to stop "them".

Since I was fortunate to receive a MacPro as a birthday gift I wanted to learn to use it and since SH4 is my favorite game I wanted to run it on the new Mac. Bootcamp works fine, but I want to explore running it in native Mac OS via Wineskin wrappers, So, I didn't know where else to ask about this other than this forum. Never expected to "hit" a raw nerve.

I consider this thread closed.

[joea]

Originally Posted by TorpX

He he, that immunity wasn't going to last forever.

iMacs, iBooks, iPods, iPads, iPhones, iWhatevers, i........

Their stuff may be good, but I don't want to have to join a cult.

You don't have to.

[merc4ulfate]

I love the macs. They are simply wonderful to work with. As far as games and windows versus mac ... I do not see a lot of people making a living play a past time game so give me the machine that makes the money any day. Windows for the masses is great if you do wish to play a game since it was designed for entertainment not production.

If you do wish production and a still remain with windows you can use products like Windows 8 server, SQL Server 2012, MS Dynamics CRM, and there are plenty of SDK developer tools. None of these would most likely run a game with any efficiency since they are created with stability in mind and games are notorious for causing instability in systems due to game calls directly to hardware. Business software is designed so that doesn't happen creating a more stable environment.

Windows isn't all about games but you will fine the consumer versions are largely game and entertainment driven since they are created with entertaining the masses in mind.

If you have an Iphone look for this game ... I am not sure how far along it is yet

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...=silent+hunter

[Rockin Robbins]

Wow, I know lots of people with Macs and none of them are arrogant, including the OP I hope

That is the most fascinating disconnect about the whole deal. It is the companies who are arrogant, brutish, dictatorial, damning the public, robber barons without a conscience, bullies whose aim is to control, not serve humanity.

Apple and Sony are they same type of company: arrogant, rapacious, overcharging, anti-competition, them against the public, take no prisoners companies who do not hesitate to break the bounds of right and wrong to advance their control and limit their competition. How about that Sony gangsterism to corner the market on HD DVDs? You get to pay double what one should cost to finance their assassination of a better alternative. So you have both obscenely high prices and low quality forever. Jay Gould never pulled such a naked act of aggression and thuggery.

Both play the patent game to kill off anything with any resemblance to their products. Apple's "look and feel" campaign and Sony's music CD trojan horse, which permanently turned off your computer's ability to write a CD without your knowledge or consent are perfect examples of these company's lack of moral compass and out of control power lust.

Then you have their customers: normally left-leaning, peace and love, socially conscious, upwardly mobile, people who like to think of themselves as progressive, in favor of human rights, believing that the greatest good is accomplished through voluntary cooperation for the betterment of humanity. These are genuinely nice people who would help you out in an instant, even for no personal gain. But in their quest to be cool they make deals with Satan, these two companies which make a mockery of how they try to live and how these customers view their purpose in life.

It's insanity. It's not people who cannot see, these are the most highly educated, most enlightened people in our society. These are people who WILL not see because what are principles of justice when compared to being "cool." Hell, toss those silly principles right out the window. Come right over, Satan, let's party!

[TorpX]

jldjs and joea,

I'm sorry if my post offended. It certainly wasn't meant as an attack on anyone here. I consider people who post here and play SH 4, must be both intelligent and dedicated. I'm not a fan of Apple. Every time I see one of their commercials, they seem to imply that I am some kind of ignorant barbarian, living in the dark ages, because I don't have an Apple computer, iPhone, etc., etc., so I was happy to have a laugh at their expense. Of course I laugh at (or curse) Microsoft as well.

People here like to post what is on their minds or crack a joke. It shouldn't be taken seriously.