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Seems it may have some hiccups in the future, that is for sure:
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I received a notice from Pandora Internet Radio this morning.
They have to pay 4 times what Satellite Radio plays for licensing fees. Broadcast Radio pays nothing.
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The internet is dangerous competition.
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^^
you mean I get to choose what I listen to instead of having to hear the crap radio1 plays all day long? ![]()
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Here is di.fm's take on it:
Digitally Imported Blog Monday, March 12, 2007 New Music Royalty Rates May Shut Down Internet Radio On Friday March 2nd, the U.S. government, through the Copyright Royalty Board (CRB), made a determination of the royalty rates Internet Radio webcasters must pay the owners of sound recording copyrights to license the music they webcast for the years 2006-2010. The license is paid to SoundExchange, a nonprofit organization that collects royalty payments from digital music broadcasters and distributes them to rights holders. The issue is that the new rates completely ignore the business and market realities of Internet Radio. In a nutshell they expect many webcasters, such as at Digitally Imported, to pay far greater money for licensing than we ever even collect from all of our services, effectively driving webcasters out of business. For commercial and for larger non-commercial webcasters the judges set a pay-per-play rate of:
SaveTheStreams.org has sample calculations here on what it means to stream to 10,000 concurrent listeners on average, if you are interested in the fine details. And keep in mind that Digitally Imported has far more listeners than in that example. We are talking about rates which are hundreds of % more than the revenues webcasters generate, even before any expenses for things such as wages, resources, hardware, and so on. How judges can come up with such numbers is beyond me. What we do know is that Digitally Imported was part of a collective of small commercial broadcasters which presented its arguments in court proceedings. Yet the judges completely threw virtually all of our arguments aside in making their decision. What's ironic is that even if the Internet radio advertising market was fully mature, which it isn't, and we played as many audio ads for you as we could - then not only we'd be in for a prize for most ads played by any entity, as one other webcaster joked. But we still would be very far from reaching the required revenue numbers and being able to pay such rates. It's just completely unrealistic to expect any sort of a model to exist both now and in next years that would come close to being able to justify these rates. Maybe the big corporations of the world such as Yahoo and AOL could in theory afford to loose on such rates and still provide music, but that doesn't mean all other businesses have to go as a result. Do you really want to have just a few big corporations playing the music for you in the future? You may ask us about why don't we just play unlicensed tracks or make an agreement with artists directly to avoid paying so much. The reality of the business is that it is virtually impossible to micromanage things this way. You'd have to have a world class communication company to be able to track down so many artists or labels, find where who is, who to contact, what forms to sign, talk them into it, etc. Plus you'd be surprised just how much of the non-mainstream music you love so much here is really signed to a label. That's why in theory the law that allows for a blanket license is really convenient - it's just that the rates which were set now are truly hopeless and stifle any kind of competition. What are we supposed to do, wave a flag and and turn into a payola service? Put a banner out that says "hey, whoever pays us the most in advance gets to have his or her track heard on the radio!"? Because that's the only model that is going to work with these rates. This All Sounds Familiar, What Happened Last Time? If this all sounds familiar it is because it is very similar to what happened the last time around 2002 and the Day of Silence campaign. Then too very bad rates were proposed for the period up until the end of 2005. Much hype was raised because then as now the industry was about to die. You wonderful listeners wrote in droves to your congressmen whether by submitting online forms, emails, letters, or phone calls, and they in turn heard your message. With the urging of Congressmen last time, SoundExchange and the small commercial webcasters such as Digitally Imported settled on a deal (SWSA) that allowed us to pay a percentage of revenue or expenses instead of per performance, with the rates ranging around 10-12%. Even though officially the rates set by the Copyright Royalty Board (CRB) last time were also bad, this negotiated deal allowed us to use another model and continue to exist. There was no such option allowed by the CRB this time, and the jury's still out on whether anything will be negotiated like it was last time. WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP, AND IT TAKES 2 MINUTES After careful consideration we feel that the most efficient course of action would be to send a note to your own Congresspeople complaining about the issue, stating that it is important to you and that you want them to help solve it. To do so we are providing an easy link for you, there's even prepared text for you to Copy and Paste. Please go to this link at Congress.org, check the text there and copy it, and by just inputting your zip code you can digitally send in the letter to your congresspeople. This really helps! Of course the more you spread this message among friends and the media, the more attention it grabs and the more pressure there is on everyone to overturn or settle the matter before it is too late. Also see the new post about Other Ways To Help and Donate, which has been added since after numerous requests. On behalf of Team Digitally Imported, and all our other fellow webcasters, we thank you for your support once again. It was a miracle that last time around we were able to do something through these actions, there's no reason why it cannot work again. Thank you for your few minutes of time to help in this matter. Sincerely, Ari Shohat Founder & Manager Digitally Imported, Inc. |
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Ouch! SOme cost calculations:
2. Are the rates really that high? First of all, the rates webcasters pay are "per performance," meaning any time ONE listener hears ONE song (or any portion of a song), that's a "performance." If ONE listener hears ten songs, that's TEN performances. If 1000 listeners hear ten songs, that's 10,000 performances. Still with me? The rates announced for 2006 (long story, but the licensing term is for 2006-2010, and it took this long to figure out the royalty rate, thus webcasters will pay "retroactively" for 2006) are $0.0008 per performance. Now, that's only 8/100ths of a cent, but let's do the math to see what happens. Let's imagine a webcaster with an AVERAGE audience of 10,000 listeners (obviously, listeners come and go, and no one listens 24 hours a day, but we're talking about an average number... so sometimes there'll be lots more than 10,000 folks listening, sometimes lots less... but for math's sake, let's deal with the AVERAGE audience). Our webcaster plays 16 songs every hour, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, to an audience that averages out to be 10,000 people. $0.0008 X 10,000 listeners X 16 songs/hr. = $128. It'll cost our imaginary webcaster $128 to play one hour of music for 10,000 people. At the end of the day, that's $3,072 ($128 X 24 hrs./day) -- for just a single day! After a week goes by, it's $21,504 ($3,072 X 7 days/wk.). And for all of 2006, this webcaster with a steady average audience of 10,000 listeners would owe $1,121,280!! (the $3,072 X 365 days/yr.) That takes care of 2006. For 2007, the rate increases 37.5%! So, with no audience growth, the cost of streaming music for the year would increase to $1,541,760. And the royalty rate goes up another 28% in 2008, and another 28% in 2009, topping out at a $.0019 per performance rate in 2010 (resulting in a royalty obligation of $2,663,040 for that same audience averaging 10,000 listeners) for that year. I wish my boss gave me raises at those rates! |
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After signing the petition above, tell your congress person:
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God bless Live365.
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Thank the sweet gods for Eve-Radio when I played Eve-online, that really took the time away when doing boring trade runs and such, really bought the part of the cummunity that listened to it together.
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Location: Canada, eh?
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So much for the Free Market.
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What I got after doing the letter-to-congressman thing,Almost seems like a copy and paste job, but whatever, at least the challengers to the rate hikes are getting a chance.
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The whole thing seems nuts to me.
At least you got any response at all Rilder!
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