SH4 just plain unappealing!

[benetofski]

Ok, first off - I like UBISOFT Games and I have continually played SH2 and SH3 - and (kind of hesitantly) finally 'gave in' and bought SH4 - having passed it on the shelves a few times

(I have also recently finished all the GRAW (Ghost Recon) levels (but still periodically play SH3) and needed a new game to fill time in until GRAW-2 comes out in June.

I for one, didnt rush out and beat a path to EB to pick up SH4 because I kinda realized there might be some issues, that unfortunately, await the submarine playing community or the devs at UBISOFT to crawl all over and fix...

It seems to me, there is a lot of 'fixin' to do!

Well, for starters, I tell you IMHO it doesnt appear to compare to SH3 (in both graphics and game play) and I have a TOTL Gamers high end (Intel) machine, with dual cores and dual SLI GPU's, so I am not talking hardware here but actual renderings (radar/sonar as an example) and actual game play (stations) functions.

Also, looking in the data bundles, I can still see fragments of SH3 in there along with debug calls, so I suspect... the engine is the still basically the same but with new modules pegged on - admitedly there is a ton of code in there to remap the World etcetra but we should be expecting (at least) something comparable to what we would expect to see on a Wii or XBox 360 Screen NO?

So I think I will throw in the towel on SH4 and just say - it's disappointing to me individually but for those out there that are prepared to patch or mod it to death - you have more patience (or time) than me!

Finally, (as always) I applaud the modders out there that will spend immeasurable hours working on the fixes.

Remember, this is not knocking UBISOFT - but my personal disappointment (I am still planning to buy GRAW-2 and other UBISOFT products) they, after all, are no different to Microsoft who produced 'Flight Sim X' (I have that too!) and the forums there reflect similar feelings that the communities will be the ones to correct the game shortfalls!

report ends, benetofski fell overboard!

[CCIP]

Not totally sure what you're getting at to be honest. Eh? Xbox and Wii? WII of all things?


I sure as hell hoped and prayed that SHIV wouldn't be like something I'd expect on a console, and fortunately it wasn't.

Otherwise, eh... whatever you get buoyancy from I suppose.

I can see where you're coming from on "gameplay" (too many bugs still) but Graphics are far better in SH4?

I run at 1920x1200 with AF 16x and FSAA 4x and its looks awesome imho



Simon

I think the ubi marketing people took time to review the fan base of SH3, most likely by stopping by this forum on a regular basis.

I guess the ubi guys figured out that our loyalty to SH3 would make it very easy for ubi to stick it to us by releasing a VERY beta game, then laugh all the way to bank with no plans to continue the SH series.

Kinda like those fast food adverts you see on TV, where the sandwich is all big and juice and awesome looking...then when you actually buy it it looks like someone spat on it, sat on it, shat on it, then shoved it in your face.

Moral of the story, dont beleive the hype. And avoid buying any ubi games in the future if you possibly can.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Grunt

I think the ubi marketing people took time to review the fan base of SH3, most likely by stopping by this forum on a regular basis.

I guess the ubi guys figured out that our loyalty to SH3 would make it very easy for ubi to stick it to us by releasing a VERY beta game, then laugh all the way to bank with no plans to continue the SH series.

Kinda like those fast food adverts you see on TV, where the sandwich is all big and juice and awesome looking...then when you actually buy it it looks like someone spat on it, sat on it, shat on it, then shoved it in your face.

Moral of the story, dont beleive the hype. And avoid buying any ubi games in the future if you possibly can.

Yeah, but UBI is a cover for the Greys. Neal's on the payroll too, which makes SubSim a vast data-collection agency. Soon, there will be enough information collected to begin the genetic alteration process. The truth is out there.

Let's try to remember that we are talking about a computer game. Niccolo Machiavelli would have more important matters of concern.

[-Pv-]

I hope you'll be selling your copies on ebay so someone else can enjoy it.
-Pv-

[DragonRR1]

Originally Posted by Grunt

I think the ubi marketing people took time to review the fan base of SH3, most likely by stopping by this forum on a regular basis.

I guess the ubi guys figured out that our loyalty to SH3 would make it very easy for ubi to stick it to us by releasing a VERY beta game, then laugh all the way to bank with no plans to continue the SH series.

Kinda like those fast food adverts you see on TV, where the sandwich is all big and juice and awesome looking...then when you actually buy it it looks like someone spat on it, sat on it, shat on it, then shoved it in your face.

Moral of the story, dont beleive the hype. And avoid buying any ubi games in the future if you possibly can.

I think you are being a little unfair Grunt. Neither the devs nor UBI would have actually wanted to release the game in the state it was in and to some extent still is in. Clearly UBI have forced the devs to finish off for the release date but UBI themselves have pressure from shareholders, marketing and distribution to release products at a certain price point and within certain timescales. Unfortunately SH4 has suffered as a result.

[Fearless]

Originally Posted by DragonRR1

I think you are being a little unfair Grunt. Neither the devs nor UBI would have actually wanted to release the game in the state it was in and to some extent still is in. Clearly UBI have forced the devs to finish off for the release date but UBI themselves have pressure from shareholders, marketing and distribution to release products at a certain price point and within certain timescales. Unfortunately SH4 has suffered as a result.

That's true, it's all about money and that is why software products are pushed out into the market regardless of the state it's in.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Originally Posted by benetofski

I have continually played SH2

Continually played SH2 ( PA I hope ) and giving up on SH4 this early.
Enough said here

RDP

[joea]

Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

Continually played SH2 ( PA I hope ) and giving up on SH4 this early.
Enough said here

RDP

Sh2 was a real mess compared to what I see here or with SH3.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by -Pv-

I hope you'll be selling your copies on ebay so someone else can enjoy it.
-Pv-

That's the funniest thing I've heard since SH4 came out ... :rotfl:

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Grunt

I think the ubi marketing people took time to review the fan base of SH3, most likely by stopping by this forum on a regular basis.

I guess the ubi guys figured out that our loyalty to SH3 would make it very easy for ubi to stick it to us by releasing a VERY beta game, then laugh all the way to bank with no plans to continue the SH series.

I WANT TO BELIEVE!

[ReallyDedPoet]

Originally Posted by joea

Sh2 was a real mess compared to what I see here or with SH3.

SH3 was a hugh step forward from SH2, SH4 is not a huge step from SH3. But there is potential for sure for it to be a solid game, the show is not over yet.

RDP

[Kataki]

Originally Posted by benetofski

Ok, first off - I like UBISOFT Games and I have continually played SH2 and SH3 - and (kind of hesitantly) finally 'gave in' and bought SH4 - having passed it on the shelves a few times

(I have also recently finished all the GRAW (Ghost Recon) levels (but still periodically play SH3) and needed a new game to fill time in until GRAW-2 comes out in June.

I for one, didnt rush out and beat a path to EB to pick up SH4 because I kinda realized there might be some issues, that unfortunately, await the submarine playing community or the devs at UBISOFT to crawl all over and fix...

It seems to me, there is a lot of 'fixin' to do!

Well, for starters, I tell you IMHO it doesnt appear to compare to SH3 (in both graphics and game play) and I have a TOTL Gamers high end (Intel) machine, with dual cores and dual SLI GPU's, so I am not talking hardware here but actual renderings (radar/sonar as an example) and actual game play (stations) functions.

Also, looking in the data bundles, I can still see fragments of SH3 in there along with debug calls, so I suspect... the engine is the still basically the same but with new modules pegged on - admitedly there is a ton of code in there to remap the World etcetra but we should be expecting (at least) something comparable to what we would expect to see on a Wii or XBox 360 Screen NO?

So I think I will throw in the towel on SH4 and just say - it's disappointing to me individually but for those out there that are prepared to patch or mod it to death - you have more patience (or time) than me!

Finally, (as always) I applaud the modders out there that will spend immeasurable hours working on the fixes.

Remember, this is not knocking UBISOFT - but my personal disappointment (I am still planning to buy GRAW-2 and other UBISOFT products) they, after all, are no different to Microsoft who produced 'Flight Sim X' (I have that too!) and the forums there reflect similar feelings that the communities will be the ones to correct the game shortfalls!

report ends, benetofski fell overboard!

From the sound of it you are playing a different game...

Some comparison pics..

External view of a sub SH4
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2...4imgaa1gh5.jpg

External view of the Yamato SH4
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r...1-44-35-12.jpg

External view of the bismark SH3
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/7...rckgood1ve.jpg

External view of a sub SH3
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6494/surface1ho.jpg

If you cant tell that SH4 is a much better looking game then you are blind. Now as far as gameplay/stability goes I agree, SH4 is a rushed game.

Read the forums for tweaks to help you game run better. I have a older computer and can still run sh4 at 20 fps with pretty much every graphical setting I want on.

You know what, i will add some of my opinion. <EDIT:That's a real no no here> the game from the internet. Before the relize of the game as a huge fan of the SH3 and thise website, i told to my self - i will not be a moron ho like everything for free and i will pay for the product and yes i buy the damn game, and what i get is a beta game filed up with stooped program mistakes. And who is the moron now .

Sad but fact - i still can`t play the game i` am wating for a patch, meanwile i playing SH3 and Stalker