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Radtgaeb · 04-06-07, 10:51 PM

Hey, all. I'm usually just a Silent Hunter III Man, and I kind of want a bit of a diversion until SHIV is fully ironed out but I've been considering purchasing Dangerous Waters, Sub Command, and Janes Modern Sub Sim (The name escapes me as of now) But, I'm a bit hesitant because I've heard they are a tad more complicated than my usual routine. Should I consider buying or not? I need your help with my choice here! Thanks a million!

-Radtgaeb

Molon Labe · 04-06-07, 11:38 PM

Jane's 688I.

Whether this genre is for you will depend on what you want out of a sim. The SH series will provide a prettier and more emersive environment, and better campaigns, than 688I/SC/DW. But the modern subsims invovle better technical models of the sensors, weapons, and environment, as well as an intense head to head MP setup. Also, DW et. al. go more into the specific systems of the platforms, allowing (requiring, if you care about results) you to get your hands dirty, while the SH series is more about command. IMO, DW et. al are better simulations, but aren't as good as making you forget it's just a simulation.

Sea Demon · 04-07-07, 12:57 AM

I've got to agree with Molon Labe. It really depends on your preferences. I myself like to experience sub sims from both the historical WW2 perspective, and yet crave the modern nuke sub sim. Best of both worlds here. I enjoyed SH3 with GWX, and am currently enjoying SH4 tremendously. SH3 has been put away for a long time now, and SH4 will see retirement as well at some point in the future for sure. DW has been on my computer from the day it was released and has never left it. I can't ever see me take Dangerous Waters off my machine. DW for me is the cream of the crop in naval sims. But then again, that's just me.

Radtgaeb · 04-07-07, 02:32 AM

I dl'd the demo, and I'm very intimidated by the vast controls (eep) and for some reason, I have a really high-pitched squeal in my pc unit

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BobbyZero · 04-07-07, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Radtgaeb

...and for some reason, I have a really high-pitched squeal in my pc unit

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Erm, check this out, it might help.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=106494

Molon Labe · 04-07-07, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Radtgaeb

I dl'd the demo, and I'm very intimidated by the vast controls (eep)

Well, it is a sim. The more complicated and less abstract it is, the better the quality of the simulated systems and environment. That being said, if you're willing to do your homework (i.e., RTFM), then it's manageable. It probably took me about a week to learn 688I back in college. Falcon 4AF took me two. Considering F4 has a bigger following than the modern subsims, I don't think the "studying" required is prohibitive.

You also have the option to use autocrew to alleviate some of the burden; just understand that some autocrew is generally ineffective (fire control comes to mind) and that others are just a stopgap measure and perform poorly compared to a human (sonar).

04-07-07, 03:25 PM

I have a question. How is the steam version of DW. Ive lost my CD along with Fleet command long ago. But was thinking of buying it off steam for only 19.95$

But can you mod the steam version? or are you locked to vanilla game.

To the OP i have to agree that the janes sub sim games are very different from SH games. As other have said ill agree that DW or 688i and sub command are more of a sensor simulation where SH3/SH4 are more of a command simulation.

What DW really needed was a dynamic campaing :P but i guess that it might be a bit odd since unrestricted warfare in the mordern age is not likely. But maybe a cold war setting

Radtgaeb · 04-09-07, 09:48 PM

OK! I've decided to buy the game! Congradulations, nuke simmers, you hooked me!

But you've managed to hook a noob. I've got so many questions, the demo confused me but I managed to sink a few ships (it wasn't easy for me) and it would really help if I could find the printed and bound version of the 600 pg. manual (because I don't feel like printing the PDF version) but alas!

it isn't sold anywhere, know where I might find one??

Thanks!

Radtgaeb

ASWnut101 · 04-10-07, 02:07 PM

Ask a few questions if you don't have the manual. We've got nothing better to do anyway.

04-06-07, 10:51 PM	#1
Radtgaeb Frogman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Muncie, IN Posts: 300 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Considering.... Hey, all. I'm usually just a Silent Hunter III Man, and I kind of want a bit of a diversion until SHIV is fully ironed out but I've been considering purchasing Dangerous Waters, Sub Command, and Janes Modern Sub Sim (The name escapes me as of now) But, I'm a bit hesitant because I've heard they are a tad more complicated than my usual routine. Should I consider buying or not? I need your help with my choice here! Thanks a million! -Radtgaeb

04-06-07, 11:38 PM	#2
Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	Jane's 688I. Whether this genre is for you will depend on what you want out of a sim. The SH series will provide a prettier and more emersive environment, and better campaigns, than 688I/SC/DW. But the modern subsims invovle better technical models of the sensors, weapons, and environment, as well as an intense head to head MP setup. Also, DW et. al. go more into the specific systems of the platforms, allowing (requiring, if you care about results) you to get your hands dirty, while the SH series is more about command. IMO, DW et. al are better simulations, but aren't as good as making you forget it's just a simulation. __________________

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ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Ask a few questions if you don't have the manual. We've got nothing better to do anyway. __________________

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04-07-07, 12:57 AM	#3
Sea Demon Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,552 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	I've got to agree with Molon Labe. It really depends on your preferences. I myself like to experience sub sims from both the historical WW2 perspective, and yet crave the modern nuke sub sim. Best of both worlds here. I enjoyed SH3 with GWX, and am currently enjoying SH4 tremendously. SH3 has been put away for a long time now, and SH4 will see retirement as well at some point in the future for sure. DW has been on my computer from the day it was released and has never left it. I can't ever see me take Dangerous Waters off my machine. DW for me is the cream of the crop in naval sims. But then again, that's just me.

04-07-07, 02:32 AM	#4
Radtgaeb Frogman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Muncie, IN Posts: 300 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	I dl'd the demo, and I'm very intimidated by the vast controls (eep) and for some reason, I have a really high-pitched squeal in my pc unit ....

04-07-07, 03:25 PM	#7
Lio Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I have a question. How is the steam version of DW. Ive lost my CD along with Fleet command long ago. But was thinking of buying it off steam for only 19.95$ But can you mod the steam version? or are you locked to vanilla game. To the OP i have to agree that the janes sub sim games are very different from SH games. As other have said ill agree that DW or 688i and sub command are more of a sensor simulation where SH3/SH4 are more of a command simulation. What DW really needed was a dynamic campaing :P but i guess that it might be a bit odd since unrestricted warfare in the mordern age is not likely. But maybe a cold war setting

04-09-07, 09:48 PM	#8
Radtgaeb Frogman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Muncie, IN Posts: 300 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	OK! I've decided to buy the game! Congradulations, nuke simmers, you hooked me! But you've managed to hook a noob. I've got so many questions, the demo confused me but I managed to sink a few ships (it wasn't easy for me) and it would really help if I could find the printed and bound version of the 600 pg. manual (because I don't feel like printing the PDF version) but alas! it isn't sold anywhere, know where I might find one?? Thanks! Radtgaeb