Knight's Cross for doing nothing

emtmedic005 · 02-18-07, 10:48 PM

Ok so BDU sent me to patrol AN18, its Jan, 1940 and seeing how i spent my xmas holiday sinking a task force and its fleet carrier i got half way and decided to give my crew a break and came home. When i was shown the captain's log it said i was awarded the Knight';s Cross. I got no renown, no tonnage, nothing for that patrol but yet they gave me a Knights cross? i dont understand it, can some one enlighten me?

Mush Martin · 02-18-07, 10:52 PM

no idea friend........ are you using commander?:hmm:

Slick Rick · 02-18-07, 11:04 PM

This has happened to me also.....I have come back from a pretty lack luster patrol...and they have given me a knights cross or another medal that seems very inappropriate......go figure.....of course I wasnt about to give it back.....

JScones · 02-18-07, 11:05 PM

You would have received renown for completing your patrol. It's quite possible that this renown when added to your current renown took you over the score required to get the Knight's Cross.

Heck, start a new patrol in a new career, don't even move; just exit straight away. Enjoy your promotion and EK2.

Just the way the game is.

emtmedic005 · 02-18-07, 11:09 PM

The thing is that i didnt complete my patrol, i just stopped and went back home. now i'am using SH3 Commander but i dont launch SH3 with it cause ive had problems when i did that.

JScones · 02-18-07, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by emtmedic005

The thing is that i didnt complete my patrol, i just stopped and went back home. now i'am using SH3 Commander but i dont launch SH3 with it cause ive had problems when i did that.

Did you get a "Dock at: " option? If so, then that is completing a patrol. Don't get confused with meeting your patrol objectives. They are different renown events.

FWIW I just got an EK1, which I'm not supposed to get until I have 7000 renown. I have 5800 renown. Just the way the game is.

Indeed, search the forums...you'll find many posts exactly like yours over the last two years.

Rykaird · 02-18-07, 11:28 PM

I have GWX and SH3 Commander, no other mods.

What I believe happens is that you can only get one medal at a time, and they come in a series.

Let's say you had a really good early career patrol - sunk the HMS Hood and a bunch of merchants. You will be awarded the Iron Cross 2nd Class, the first in the series. Behind the scenes, I think the game has calculated that you earned enough renown on that first patrol to get all the way up to the German Cross in Gold.

You will continue to get rewarded each medal in the series even if you do nothing but go out, have a bbq on deck, and come back, until whatever magic renown/medal level is reached. This is how it appears to work, anyway.

BTW, there isn't necessarily a direct correlation between kills and winning the Knights Cross. For example, check out:

http://uboat.net/men/brandi.htm

Won "The Diamonds" with only 12 confirmed kills and about 30,000 GRT - doesn't appear to even be in the top 100 most productive U-Boat skippers. He was a damn brave man, that's for sure - not taking anything away from him - but it shows they didn't just simply go down the all-time GRT list and hand out the medals that way.

Tessa · 02-19-07, 12:41 AM

While its makes for things simple to have the various additions to the RK build upon each other (as well as getting the RK itself) I've always found it to be a really screwed up system. Had (in history) a U-boat captain sunk the Hood like the Bismark did, it seems rediculous that the captain only get a IIRC instead of a RK for such a tremendous achievement. I can appreciate the history behind the RK and RC and the country's reverance for it. Though prior to WWII there was the Blue Max which could be awarded at any time (relevant to any prior decorations already held) seems more sensible to able to have the award match the accomplishment.

mookiemookie · 02-19-07, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rykaird

What I believe happens is that you can only get one medal at a time, and they come in a series.

Let's say you had a really good early career patrol - sunk the HMS Hood and a bunch of merchants. You will be awarded the Iron Cross 2nd Class, the first in the series. Behind the scenes, I think the game has calculated that you earned enough renown on that first patrol to get all the way up to the German Cross in Gold.

You will continue to get rewarded each medal in the series even if you do nothing but go out, have a bbq on deck, and come back, until whatever magic renown/medal level is reached. This is how it appears to work, anyway.

I think you're spot on with this. This has always been my understanding of how the SH3 medal system works, regardless of mods.

AVGWarhawk · 02-19-07, 01:18 PM

Yes, that is the way I see it also. I have also received medals for doing much of nothing. Put hey, the chicks dig it man so who cares

ReallyDedPoet · 02-19-07, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yes, that is the way I see it also. I have also received medals for doing much of nothing. Put hey, the chicks dig it man so who cares

I like it

STEED · 02-19-07, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by emtmedic005

i was awarded the Knight';s Cross. I got no renown, no tonnage, nothing for that patrol but yet they gave me a Knights cross? i dont understand it, can some one enlighten me?

Did one of crew blackmail Bdu?

Iron Budokan · 02-19-07, 02:04 PM

And you thought that affair with Doenitz's wife wouldn't pay off....

02-18-07, 10:48 PM	#1
emtmedic005 Weps Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North Andover, MA Posts: 361 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Knight's Cross for doing nothing Ok so BDU sent me to patrol AN18, its Jan, 1940 and seeing how i spent my xmas holiday sinking a task force and its fleet carrier i got half way and decided to give my crew a break and came home. When i was shown the captain's log it said i was awarded the Knight';s Cross. I got no renown, no tonnage, nothing for that patrol but yet they gave me a Knights cross? i dont understand it, can some one enlighten me?

02-18-07, 10:52 PM	#2
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	wow no idea friend........ are you using commander?:hmm: __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

02-18-07, 11:04 PM	#3
Slick Rick Sonar Guy Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Whats left of Florida Posts: 396 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	This has happened to me also.....I have come back from a pretty lack luster patrol...and they have given me a knights cross or another medal that seems very inappropriate......go figure.....of course I wasnt about to give it back..... __________________ Wasserbomb!!!!

02-19-07, 01:18 PM	#10
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,255 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yes, that is the way I see it also. I have also received medals for doing much of nothing. Put hey, the chicks dig it man so who cares __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-19-07, 02:04 PM	#13
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	And you thought that affair with Doenitz's wife wouldn't pay off.... __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

02-18-07, 11:05 PM	#4
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	You would have received renown for completing your patrol. It's quite possible that this renown when added to your current renown took you over the score required to get the Knight's Cross. Heck, start a new patrol in a new career, don't even move; just exit straight away. Enjoy your promotion and EK2. Just the way the game is.

02-18-07, 11:09 PM	#5
emtmedic005 Weps Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North Andover, MA Posts: 361 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The thing is that i didnt complete my patrol, i just stopped and went back home. now i'am using SH3 Commander but i dont launch SH3 with it cause ive had problems when i did that.

02-18-07, 11:28 PM	#7
Rykaird Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 356 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	I have GWX and SH3 Commander, no other mods. What I believe happens is that you can only get one medal at a time, and they come in a series. Let's say you had a really good early career patrol - sunk the HMS Hood and a bunch of merchants. You will be awarded the Iron Cross 2nd Class, the first in the series. Behind the scenes, I think the game has calculated that you earned enough renown on that first patrol to get all the way up to the German Cross in Gold. You will continue to get rewarded each medal in the series even if you do nothing but go out, have a bbq on deck, and come back, until whatever magic renown/medal level is reached. This is how it appears to work, anyway. BTW, there isn't necessarily a direct correlation between kills and winning the Knights Cross. For example, check out: http://uboat.net/men/brandi.htm Won "The Diamonds" with only 12 confirmed kills and about 30,000 GRT - doesn't appear to even be in the top 100 most productive U-Boat skippers. He was a damn brave man, that's for sure - not taking anything away from him - but it shows they didn't just simply go down the all-time GRT list and hand out the medals that way.

02-19-07, 12:41 AM	#8
Tessa Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CG 96 Posts: 861 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	While its makes for things simple to have the various additions to the RK build upon each other (as well as getting the RK itself) I've always found it to be a really screwed up system. Had (in history) a U-boat captain sunk the Hood like the Bismark did, it seems rediculous that the captain only get a IIRC instead of a RK for such a tremendous achievement. I can appreciate the history behind the RK and RC and the country's reverance for it. Though prior to WWII there was the Blue Max which could be awarded at any time (relevant to any prior decorations already held) seems more sensible to able to have the award match the accomplishment.

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