Combining the best of both worlds - a few words

[Ducimus]

I don't know if anyones noticed or looked closely at the mods ive been releasing lately but theyve been including quite a few NYGM features. Some of you who've known me for awhile on this forum may be wondering "WTF?!" As im guessing im probably reputed amongst the forum old timers of being staunchly anti-NYGM, and in some ways, i still am.

It's not that i didn't like their mod (well, parts of it anyway ), I just had personality conflicts with person or persons who rubbed me the wrong way. While i can hold a grudge for a very long time i usually can't hold one forever because at some point, i just get tired of hating, and end up letting things go and moving forward. (takes me awhile though )

With the release of GWX, I personally consider the "mod war" over. Now if the indivduals involved in either of the supermod feel the same way, i don't know, but for me, it's over, and between the two, SH3 is looking better then it ever has before. Honestly, i dont think its going to get much better. Who won the mod war? I have my opinion, but i don't think anyone can Offically, and authorivley say, "A" won and "B" lost. Infact, i wouldn't want that sort of decision ever made because it would only stoke the embers of a dying fire into a bonfire once again. We all have our opinion's.

But to reiterate, there comes a point, (at least for me) when you gotta let things go and move forward. And a key point here is that, even if you think someone is the biggest (insert colorful adjective here) in the world, if they've come out with a decent idea or design, one should at least acknowledge the idea and give it the credit it deserves. This and a desire to further hone SH3 is why ive taken to extracting some bits of NYGM and adapting them for GWX. This isn't an effort to rip one off or to turn one into the other, i simply see how some things could be improved if one was to swallow some pride and admit, "Hey, not bad". I figured i'd put some step forward in that direction. Maybe its the first steps, could be the only step, who knows. Since i have equal residence on both DTB's and Lehmann's "schitt list", im not going to get overly concerned about it.

Some things from NYGM works in GWX like a charm, other things do not. It just takes some experimentation and the willingness to try to find out. Between the two, i dont see how SH3 is going to get much better, sure theres room for improvement, there always is, but i personally dont expect to see any more evolutionary leaps in modding for SH3. It's all we can do now to put the polish on what's been done, and enjoy it all for what its worth while we wait for SH4.

[JCWolf]

Hi mate....

Just add a look into this thread of your's by acident


And, must say i'm glad you turned into this conclusion, as far
in mi opinion there are some stuff that "we" can not forget,
cause really the "War" betwin Mod clans "Was" the result of
some Rong postings and most of the times, rong atitudes as
you remember....
...But as you say things go and past is forgot with time, at
least some parts of that past i guess...

...I allways suported your opinion and still do, if you got to
that conclusion cool, and i have one more time to respect
you even more for the brave and without any doubt courageous
atitude you're taking now again, and as before i even
bow myself more in respect cause a decision and an atitude
like your's it's not easy to take, and reflects the amazing
personality you have...

I feel fortuned to know you and had the luck of working
with you....

It takes a moment to show the personality in an action,
but it takes a life time to get the courage to take that action...

You don't stop of suprising me!

[Corsair]

Good post

[rascal101]

Buggered if I know what casued what or who's up who and whose paying, this took some bravery to write and well done to you. Here's hoping who ever else was involved in the backstage rumpus that most of us never knew about, come to the party and bury the hatchett as well.

All the mods, large and small from this community have helped make SH3 not only playable but also a fascinating learning experience, from the point of view of history, and even down to technical stuff like editing config files and the like.

Without this forum and the community therein SH3 would be sitting on my shelves and forgotten like a bunch of others that I can name, instead I'm still hard at it nearly two years after the release.

Please go on with your most excellent mods, all of you and thank you for saving this fantastice sim

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I don't know if anyones noticed or looked closely at the mods ive been releasing lately but theyve been including quite a few NYGM features. Some of you who've known me for awhile on this forum may be wondering "WTF?!" As im guessing im probably reputed amongst the forum old timers of being staunchly anti-NYGM, and in some ways, i still am.

It's not that i didn't like their mod (well, parts of it anyway ), I just had personality conflicts with person or persons who rubbed me the wrong way. While i can hold a grudge for a very long time i usually can't hold one forever because at some point, i just get tired of hating, and end up letting things go and moving forward. (takes me awhile though )

With the release of GWX, I personally consider the "mod war" over. Now if the indivduals involved in either of the supermod feel the same way, i don't know, but for me, it's over, and between the two, SH3 is looking better then it ever has before. Honestly, i dont think its going to get much better. Who won the mod war? I have my opinion, but i don't think anyone can Offically, and authorivley say, "A" won and "B" lost. Infact, i wouldn't want that sort of decision ever made because it would only stoke the embers of a dying fire into a bonfire once again. We all have our opinion's.

But to reiterate, there comes a point, (at least for me) when you gotta let things go and move forward. And a key point here is that, even if you think someone is the biggest (insert colorful adjective here) in the world, if they've come out with a decent idea or design, one should at least acknowledge the idea and give it the credit it deserves. This and a desire to further hone SH3 is why ive taken to extracting some bits of NYGM and adapting them for GWX. This isn't an effort to rip one off or to turn one into the other, i simply see how some things could be improved if one was to swallow some pride and admit, "Hey, not bad". I figured i'd put some step forward in that direction. Maybe its the first steps, could be the only step, who knows. Since i have equal residence on both DTB's and Lehmann's "schitt list", im not going to get overly concerned about it.

Some things from NYGM works in GWX like a charm, other things do not. It just takes some experimentation and the willingness to try to find out. Between the two, i dont see how SH3 is going to get much better, sure theres room for improvement, there always is, but i personally dont expect to see any more evolutionary leaps in modding for SH3. It's all we can do now to put the polish on what's been done, and enjoy it all for what its worth while we wait for SH4.

I missed a large part of the "Mod Wars"..thankfully!

I can see why Ducimus is getting NYGM stuff into GWX, makes total sense as there's some good bits in NYGM.

I, on the other hand, am trying to get GWX stuff into NYGM, which also makes total sense as there's some good bits in GWX.

The end result, flavoured to tastes mods based on either NYGM or GWX.....the choice is yours!

[Corsair]

@ Über Grüber :

Aargh, I see a rabbit near a boat in your signature, you're not affraid ?

[The Munster]

If you bear a grudge, whether here or in real life, you're slowly killing yourself .. I know guys who look 10 years older than what they are because they are 'gonna get so-and-so' for 'doing this and that' or whatever.
Why bog yourself down and have your health suffer because of the actions of some-one else ?

[Lanzfeld]

I really like NYGM:

1. Torpedo failures.
2. RandomEscorts.
3. Assisted Plotting Mod (I think it is the best way to plot).

I will be diving into GWX after the release of the January update and I really look forward to it. Maybe we could combine some of these?

[Mush Martin]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I don't know if anyones noticed or looked closely at the mods ive been releasing lately but theyve been including quite a few NYGM features. Some of you who've known me for awhile on this forum may be wondering "WTF?!" As im guessing im probably reputed amongst the forum old timers of being staunchly anti-NYGM, and in some ways, i still am.

It's not that i didn't like their mod (well, parts of it anyway ), I just had personality conflicts with person or persons who rubbed me the wrong way. While i can hold a grudge for a very long time i usually can't hold one forever because at some point, i just get tired of hating, and end up letting things go and moving forward. (takes me awhile though )

With the release of GWX, I personally consider the "mod war" over. Now if the indivduals involved in either of the supermod feel the same way, i don't know, but for me, it's over, and between the two, SH3 is looking better then it ever has before. Honestly, i dont think its going to get much better. Who won the mod war? I have my opinion, but i don't think anyone can Offically, and authorivley say, "A" won and "B" lost. Infact, i wouldn't want that sort of decision ever made because it would only stoke the embers of a dying fire into a bonfire once again. We all have our opinion's.

But to reiterate, there comes a point, (at least for me) when you gotta let things go and move forward. And a key point here is that, even if you think someone is the biggest (insert colorful adjective here) in the world, if they've come out with a decent idea or design, one should at least acknowledge the idea and give it the credit it deserves. This and a desire to further hone SH3 is why ive taken to extracting some bits of NYGM and adapting them for GWX. This isn't an effort to rip one off or to turn one into the other, i simply see how some things could be improved if one was to swallow some pride and admit, "Hey, not bad". I figured i'd put some step forward in that direction. Maybe its the first steps, could be the only step, who knows. Since i have equal residence on both DTB's and Lehmann's "schitt list", im not going to get overly concerned about it.

Some things from NYGM works in GWX like a charm, other things do not. It just takes some experimentation and the willingness to try to find out. Between the two, i dont see how SH3 is going to get much better, sure theres room for improvement, there always is, but i personally dont expect to see any more evolutionary leaps in modding for SH3. It's all we can do now to put the polish on what's been done, and enjoy it all for what its worth while we wait for SH4.

I missed the mod wars, but rest on our laurels and polish the cannonball, No! Polish the cannonball yes, but bring on the Type XI Cruiser sub and a few hundred other ideas I have no intention of stopping now I will need to learn all these skills prior to sh4 but reflecting on that last week I thought
that it is Unlikely that I will give up sh3 when sh4 comes out. As the atlantic Campaign is far closer to most of us (though obviously not all) than the pacific campaign. I Love this game and will in all likely hood love the next one more, but I played SH1 for years after it went out of fashion,
I dont expect to give up the game or stop trying in my own little way to push the envelope on it. I Love this Game, I Love the subsim community, I love the history of the campaign. and as I observed on another thread last week, unlike most online communities the subsim community has something most dont a history, and as we refine the game closer to the historical model, we contribute to the living history of the campaign in a way that books archives and documentaries cant. the caliber of minds here on average is intense, and why stop doing push ups with them just because we have a game next month. I dont just mod sh3 to get what I want in the game I learn it to exercise my mind on this incredible set of stairs
MM.

[irish1958]

Ducimus, You truly lead

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I don't know if anyones noticed or looked closely at the mods ive been releasing lately but theyve been including quite a few NYGM features. Some of you who've known me for awhile on this forum may be wondering "WTF?!" As im guessing im probably reputed amongst the forum old timers of being staunchly anti-NYGM, and in some ways, i still am.

It's not that i didn't like their mod (well, parts of it anyway ), I just had personality conflicts with person or persons who rubbed me the wrong way. While i can hold a grudge for a very long time i usually can't hold one forever because at some point, i just get tired of hating, and end up letting things go and moving forward. (takes me awhile though )

With the release of GWX, I personally consider the "mod war" over. Now if the indivduals involved in either of the supermod feel the same way, i don't know, but for me, it's over, and between the two, SH3 is looking better then it ever has before. Honestly, i dont think its going to get much better. Who won the mod war? I have my opinion, but i don't think anyone can Offically, and authorivley say, "A" won and "B" lost. Infact, i wouldn't want that sort of decision ever made because it would only stoke the embers of a dying fire into a bonfire once again. We all have our opinion's.

But to reiterate, there comes a point, (at least for me) when you gotta let things go and move forward. And a key point here is that, even if you think someone is the biggest (insert colorful adjective here) in the world, if they've come out with a decent idea or design, one should at least acknowledge the idea and give it the credit it deserves. This and a desire to further hone SH3 is why ive taken to extracting some bits of NYGM and adapting them for GWX. This isn't an effort to rip one off or to turn one into the other, i simply see how some things could be improved if one was to swallow some pride and admit, "Hey, not bad". I figured i'd put some step forward in that direction. Maybe its the first steps, could be the only step, who knows. Since i have equal residence on both DTB's and Lehmann's "schitt list", im not going to get overly concerned about it.

Some things from NYGM works in GWX like a charm, other things do not. It just takes some experimentation and the willingness to try to find out. Between the two, i dont see how SH3 is going to get much better, sure theres room for improvement, there always is, but i personally dont expect to see any more evolutionary leaps in modding for SH3. It's all we can do now to put the polish on what's been done, and enjoy it all for what its worth while we wait for SH4.

You do good stuff and are a credit to the community .

[GT182]

Ducimus, you always find the little things that tweek SHIII a bit farther along and seem they to end up createing new and improved mods in the end. Hats off you you on this.

And the other I won't mention. It's not for me to ask of the thinking ways of another, that knows more than I. I've been in the same boat a time or two and it always work out after a bit of time

This intigration NYGM/GWX for bouyancy kinda makes me think of thermal layers, as they too can affect bouyancy. At least I think they can. Anyways, I like it and will give it a try as soon as I RTB.

JWD. ~S!~

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by GT182

This intigration NYGM/GWX for bouyancy kinda makes me think of thermal layers, as they too can affect bouyancy. At least I think they can. Anyways, I like it and will give it a try as soon as I RTB.

JWD. ~S!~

Read my last couple posts on that thread. Its a sort of bitter sweet thing, i think im gonna drop that unless someone comes up with a good idea. Damn that 220 meter line.