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STEED · 11-22-06, 12:43 PM

Right I shall start with this one.

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A senior police officer said today heroin addicts should be prescribed the drugs on the NHS to stop them committing crime. Howard Roberts, deputy chief constable of Nottinghamshire Police told the Association of Chief Police Officers' conference on drugs it would cost £12,000 a year for each addict to be treated this way.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...&icc=NEWS&ct=5

Dose this person realise this means paying more tax.

No thank you.

joea · 11-22-06, 02:25 PM

Hmmm what if it saves more tax in the long run, I mean is crime more expensive than giving people drugs? I am just throwing that out there not saying anyone should do that.

Spoon 11th · 11-22-06, 03:08 PM

I read years ago it costs 9M marks (1.5M euros) per untreated on the loose stealing junkie per year for the finnish society. It's cheaper to give them subutex and keep them under sort of constant surveillance.

bookworm_020 · 11-22-06, 06:53 PM

But wouldn't they want to have a fix for the there cravings between each issue of precribed drugs? I could see a black market happening here.

XabbaRus · 11-22-06, 07:01 PM

Not if it is done right.

Back in the 50's in Britain there were registered addicts who got a regular morphine shot.
This is the problem, people think 'junkies' can't function, but it is usually when they are off the drug for the short periods between fixes that they are screwed.

A morphine addict with regular controlled doses can lead a normal productive life. When the government had the monopoly they could control the access and the quality. Combine it with a drug therapy programme and you wean them off it. £12,000 is a lot less than what it costs to keep some junkie in the nick for a year.

If the government took back its monopoly it could result in dealers in heroin being taken out by commercial means. Also it could benefit those countries that produce teh raw material. Western governments could by all they need plus the surplus which they could junk, in a reciprical programme they could help them convert from the heroin crop to something more useful.

I don't think it is such a bad idea. Better than nothing and current drug policies don't seem to work.

STEED · 11-22-06, 07:04 PM

What ever happen to Labour's Drugs Za? What's his name Keith something.

Onkel Neal · 11-22-06, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Not if it is done right.

£12,000 is a lot less than what it costs to keep some junkie in the nick for a year.

Ok, but I want my £12,000 in cash. Why should these losers get money from lawful taxpayers?

Here's how I like the war on drugs (and drunk drivers)

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"We're serious about impacting drunk drivers within our city," says police Chief Jerry Dyer.
That's putting it mildly.
Fresno hired 80 more traffic cops and pays for them mostly through vehicle impounds.
In other words, "violators are paying for their own enforcement," says Dyer.

Tchocky · 11-24-06, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Right I shall start with this one.

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A senior police officer said today heroin addicts should be prescribed the drugs on the NHS to stop them committing crime. Howard Roberts, deputy chief constable of Nottinghamshire Police told the Association of Chief Police Officers' conference on drugs it would cost £12,000 a year for each addict to be treated this way.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...&icc=NEWS&ct=5

Dose this person realise this means paying more tax.

No thank you.

the cost of something shouldnt be the only basis on which its to be judged. I dont think it's a bad idea, putting junkies in jail doesnt work, because it doesnt make sense, so another approach would be welcome

STEED · 11-24-06, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

the cost of something shouldnt be the only basis on which its to be judged. I dont think it's a bad idea, putting junkies in jail doesnt work, because it doesnt make sense, so another approach would be welcome

I heard on the radio yesterday the N.H.S is now giving junkies free heroine at the cost of the tax payer.

Spoon 11th · 11-24-06, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

I heard on the radio yesterday the N.H.S is now giving junkies free heroine at the cost of the tax payer.

I made a quick googling. This from a trial: The result of giving out free heroine is less crime and vanishing dealers so no more people will be able buy the stuff and get hooked. Society wins. Better yet would be giving out buprenorphine this way the ex-junkies would be able to go to work and take care of their children for example. Society wins hugely. Stupidest thing would be throwing them into prison.

STEED · 11-24-06, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Spoon 11th

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Originally Posted by STEED

I heard on the radio yesterday the N.H.S is now giving junkies free heroine at the cost of the tax payer.

I made a quick googling. This from a trial: The result of giving out free heroine is less crime

And I still have to pay higher taxes any way you look at it I'm snooked.

TteFAboB · 11-24-06, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

I heard on the radio yesterday the N.H.S is now giving junkies free heroine at the cost of the tax payer.

Who's supplying the opium and/or refining it? How many bids were offered besides the winner and who is he/they?

Wim Libaers · 11-24-06, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TteFAboB

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Originally Posted by STEED

I heard on the radio yesterday the N.H.S is now giving junkies free heroine at the cost of the tax payer.

Who's supplying the opium and/or refining it? How many bids were offered besides the winner and who is he/they?

Intercepted by customs perhaps?

11-22-06, 06:53 PM	#4
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	But wouldn't they want to have a fix for the there cravings between each issue of precribed drugs? I could see a black market happening here. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

11-22-06, 07:01 PM	#5
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Not if it is done right. Back in the 50's in Britain there were registered addicts who got a regular morphine shot. This is the problem, people think 'junkies' can't function, but it is usually when they are off the drug for the short periods between fixes that they are screwed. A morphine addict with regular controlled doses can lead a normal productive life. When the government had the monopoly they could control the access and the quality. Combine it with a drug therapy programme and you wean them off it. £12,000 is a lot less than what it costs to keep some junkie in the nick for a year. If the government took back its monopoly it could result in dealers in heroin being taken out by commercial means. Also it could benefit those countries that produce teh raw material. Western governments could by all they need plus the surplus which they could junk, in a reciprical programme they could help them convert from the heroin crop to something more useful. I don't think it is such a bad idea. Better than nothing and current drug policies don't seem to work. __________________

11-22-06, 07:04 PM	#6
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	What ever happen to Labour's Drugs Za? What's his name Keith something. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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11-22-06, 02:25 PM	#2
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Hmmm what if it saves more tax in the long run, I mean is crime more expensive than giving people drugs? I am just throwing that out there not saying anyone should do that.

11-22-06, 03:08 PM	#3
Spoon 11th Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Finland Posts: 689 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I read years ago it costs 9M marks (1.5M euros) per untreated on the loose stealing junkie per year for the finnish society. It's cheaper to give them subutex and keep them under sort of constant surveillance.