Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Neither do I know the exact number of Ukrainians pilot who's being trained in flying the F16

More on this green light to use weapon and ammo against targets in Russia.
Each day yes even each hour Russia is sending artillery, rockets and missile from their side into Ukraine.

So I say Ukraine should have the right to destroy these weapons.

Markus

They have that right and have exercised that right on more than one occasion. But as far as an all out barrage or surgical strike with western weapon systems on Russian soil goes, I don’t think it will be allowed to happen.

Look, a few f16’s or ATACMS on Russia soil doesn’t and will not win a war. What will when the war is good intel, leadership , will to fight and if what Zelensky said is true a 8 to 1 kill ratio.

[mapuc]

Never heard of the words - Low level sabotage



Markus

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

They have that right and have exercised that right on more than one occasion. But as far as an all out barrage or surgical strike with western weapon systems on Russian soil goes, I don’t think it will be allowed to happen.

Look, a few f16’s or ATACMS on Russia soil doesn’t and will not win a war. What will when the war is good intel, leadership , will to fight and if what Zelensky said is true a 8 to 1 kill ratio.

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Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

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Markus

If I read the trend with the European weapon systems, Ukraine will get the ok to use in Russian territory.

[Rockstar]

Do let us know when it actually happens.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

If I read the trend with the European weapon systems, Ukraine will get the ok to use in Russian territory.

What about Germany ? They seems very eager to prevent the war in escalating further.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

What about Germany ? They seems very eager to prevent the war in escalating further.

Markus

Ukraine should have the right to take out Russian military installations with weapons from the West, even if those installations are on Russian territory. French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said so tonight at a joint press conference in Meseberg, Germany. “We support Ukraine, and we don't want escalation. Nothing has changed about that,” Macron said after being asked by a journalist about the issue that has caused fierce debate in recent weeks. Ukraine says it has to fight with one hand tied behind its back by not allowing weapons it gets from its allies to fire on Russian missile installations inside Russia, for example.

The United States in particular does not allow it to do so. But Macron made it clear that as far as he is concerned, that restriction is unnecessary. “How do you explain to the Ukrainians that they have to protect their cities from Russian missile attacks if at the same time we tell them, ‘You cannot hit the sites from where the missiles are launched’? We (Macron and Scholz, ed.) think we should allow them to neutralize military sites from which missiles are fired and from which Ukraine is attacked.” Macron also said that “other targets in Russia and civilian or other military sites in Russia” should still be excluded, however.

[mapuc]

In other words a kind of restricted allowance to hit certain targets from the border and xxx kilometer into Russia.

Markus

[mapuc]

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[Skybird]

Bild reports that a german Patriot was used to shot down 2 Hi8, 1 su34 and 1 su35 over Russian territory. Immediately Berlin and Washington telephoned extremely angry with Kyiv and warned to never do that again, else they would refuse to deliver further ammunitions.


It's clear if Biden and Bubble Olaf accept claimed red lines of Russia, they also have already accepted that Russia will. Win the war, since Russia will mark every aid as off limits that could really endanger its success.


Ukraine is screwed. By Russia - and by its false "friends".

[Reece]

Yeh it does kinda suck!!
Here's your weapons and ammo, just don't use them on Russians!

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Bild reports that a german Patriot was used to shot down 2 Hi8, 1 su34 and 1 su35 over Russian territory. Immediately Berlin and Washington telephoned extremely angry with Kyiv and warned to never do that again, else they would refuse to deliver further ammunitions.


It's clear if Biden and Bubble Olaf accept claimed red lines of Russia, they also have already accepted that Russia will. Win the war, since Russia will mark every aid as off limits that could really endanger its success.


Ukraine is screwed. By Russia - and by its false "friends".

First off Patriots systems are not Ukraine’s they’re ours I paid for them. The Patriot is a defense system with a maximum effective range of 99 miles depending on missile used. There is absolutely no way in hell we would ever permit the worlds most advanced systems get that close to the frontline just on the off chance they MIGHT have something to shoot at. They would quickly be reduced to a smoldering pile of junk.

Similar can be said of ATACMS unless Russians are stupid enough to place their supply depots and staging areas within range of ATACMS they will be of little use to anyone with or without Macrons blessing.

Obviously even bubble Olaf knows that.

Arguing over permission. Should be arguing over why would anyone be stupid enough to place those systems so close to the Russian border.