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Skybird · 08-10-07, 11:30 AM

You said you have seen the film. Most of what it is about - is not about online activities, but every day life.

the new air passenger data delivery agreement between the US and europe is active now. A set of three dozen data including banking accounts, credit card numbers, food habits (religion!) etc is demanded by the Us, will be stroed for many years - and n either the EU nor the porivate little self of yours has any control or image of what this data is being done with, where it lands, if it really will be deleted (110% not!) and into what further channels it is feeded. american data protection laws are not en par with what we have in several european countries (although in some respect german laws sometimes are even exaggerated). and once (from an American persopective) your private data has landed at a third party, the fourth amandement of the constitution does no longer cover the protection of private sphere, as they described close to the end of the film.

European business companies where reported in recent months to have reduced their business-related traffic into the US for this reason, and statistics show that the businiss traffic with many airlines flying into the US in fact already has slighty decreased. I must admit for me these new demands by the Americans are a top reason never to travel into the US in the future, even if I would get the trip for free. the argument of "if oyu have nothing to hide you miust not fear" I do not buy for principle reasons. the same was said in the third Reich. And by that argument you can claim that nothing is wrong with a fascist or totalitarian society as long as only you love your Führer.

08-10-07, 11:30 AM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,650 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	You said you have seen the film. Most of what it is about - is not about online activities, but every day life. the new air passenger data delivery agreement between the US and europe is active now. A set of three dozen data including banking accounts, credit card numbers, food habits (religion!) etc is demanded by the Us, will be stroed for many years - and n either the EU nor the porivate little self of yours has any control or image of what this data is being done with, where it lands, if it really will be deleted (110% not!) and into what further channels it is feeded. american data protection laws are not en par with what we have in several european countries (although in some respect german laws sometimes are even exaggerated). and once (from an American persopective) your private data has landed at a third party, the fourth amandement of the constitution does no longer cover the protection of private sphere, as they described close to the end of the film. European business companies where reported in recent months to have reduced their business-related traffic into the US for this reason, and statistics show that the businiss traffic with many airlines flying into the US in fact already has slighty decreased. I must admit for me these new demands by the Americans are a top reason never to travel into the US in the future, even if I would get the trip for free. the argument of "if oyu have nothing to hide you miust not fear" I do not buy for principle reasons. the same was said in the third Reich. And by that argument you can claim that nothing is wrong with a fascist or totalitarian society as long as only you love your Führer. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.