The digital data gathering - nightmare for private sphere

Skybird · 08-10-07, 11:30 AM

You said you have seen the film. Most of what it is about - is not about online activities, but every day life.

the new air passenger data delivery agreement between the US and europe is active now. A set of three dozen data including banking accounts, credit card numbers, food habits (religion!) etc is demanded by the Us, will be stroed for many years - and n either the EU nor the porivate little self of yours has any control or image of what this data is being done with, where it lands, if it really will be deleted (110% not!) and into what further channels it is feeded. american data protection laws are not en par with what we have in several european countries (although in some respect german laws sometimes are even exaggerated). and once (from an American persopective) your private data has landed at a third party, the fourth amandement of the constitution does no longer cover the protection of private sphere, as they described close to the end of the film.

European business companies where reported in recent months to have reduced their business-related traffic into the US for this reason, and statistics show that the businiss traffic with many airlines flying into the US in fact already has slighty decreased. I must admit for me these new demands by the Americans are a top reason never to travel into the US in the future, even if I would get the trip for free. the argument of "if oyu have nothing to hide you miust not fear" I do not buy for principle reasons. the same was said in the third Reich. And by that argument you can claim that nothing is wrong with a fascist or totalitarian society as long as only you love your Führer.

STEED · 08-10-07, 11:48 AM

Watching it now, so far most of it I knew.

STEED · 08-10-07, 01:14 PM

Well I have seen it and there were a few new things I saw the rest is history.

And now folks of the UK the latest cost for the ID Card is now £1700 per person.

Any takers when this wings your way in the next few years?

fatty · 08-10-07, 01:34 PM

A personal antecdote... if you google my name (with my first initial, to differentiate from the other fatties out there), lots of good and flattering things come up... pages for academic awards and published papers and whatever. Cool right?

Googling my girlfriend, however, one of the top results is some girl's blog whom she played with on a sports team five plus years ago. The blog page says some pretty mean things about my girlfriend's team spirit - that she is a loner, doesn't get along with anyone on the team, etc. etc. Possibly true five years ago, I don't know, but the fact remains that it's in plain view of everyone who has ever been curious.

I keep my personal website and Facebook page neat and tidy, knowing full well that important people may look at them. If I am against a candidate of equal skill and experience, and I craft a professional-looking networking page and I am chosen over the other guy because he has photos of him and his buds smoking fatties on his site, can anyone say he really deserved the job over me?

As far as job screening based on searches, I don't know if many companies can afford to do this. In my region, unemployment is at a 30 year low and many businesses are understaffed. I think they would be hard pressed to stay in service if they started to filter out any employees who ever had browsed internet porn or whatever.

Still, it IS pretty creepy.

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Originally Posted by Skybird

you have made a picture query for "young chicks"

Skybird, you are tooooo funny

08-10-07, 11:30 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,716 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	You said you have seen the film. Most of what it is about - is not about online activities, but every day life. the new air passenger data delivery agreement between the US and europe is active now. A set of three dozen data including banking accounts, credit card numbers, food habits (religion!) etc is demanded by the Us, will be stroed for many years - and n either the EU nor the porivate little self of yours has any control or image of what this data is being done with, where it lands, if it really will be deleted (110% not!) and into what further channels it is feeded. american data protection laws are not en par with what we have in several european countries (although in some respect german laws sometimes are even exaggerated). and once (from an American persopective) your private data has landed at a third party, the fourth amandement of the constitution does no longer cover the protection of private sphere, as they described close to the end of the film. European business companies where reported in recent months to have reduced their business-related traffic into the US for this reason, and statistics show that the businiss traffic with many airlines flying into the US in fact already has slighty decreased. I must admit for me these new demands by the Americans are a top reason never to travel into the US in the future, even if I would get the trip for free. the argument of "if oyu have nothing to hide you miust not fear" I do not buy for principle reasons. the same was said in the third Reich. And by that argument you can claim that nothing is wrong with a fascist or totalitarian society as long as only you love your Führer. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-10-07, 11:48 AM	#2
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Watching it now, so far most of it I knew. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

08-10-07, 01:14 PM	#3
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Well I have seen it and there were a few new things I saw the rest is history. And now folks of the UK the latest cost for the ID Card is now £1700 per person. Any takers when this wings your way in the next few years? __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!