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Originally Posted by Catfish
^ .. which is probably the point why some people recently left.
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Honestly, I don't think that's the actual reason.
Considering who left Subsim over the years, a rather clear picture becomes visible.
Look at the way Bilge_Rat (and others) debate people here.
As soon as they run aground and don't know what to say because there's no copy/paste material available yet on breitbart and Co, its nothing but trolling of the lowest form.
People just seem to be fed up to go out of their way to deliver honest arguments, backed up with either facts, or at least valid reasoning open for debate, to just hit F5 and find completely retarded nonsense like "muh tis ya source?!" instead of addressing any point made by being a dick and conveniently dismiss everything their opponent just carefully argumented, claiming "it's not intelligent enough" or other incredibly disrespectful insults like "being childish" - instead of reasonable arguments - or for heaven's sake, an argument at all!
The sole point for this kind of people isn't the topic, it is to destroy the political enemy no matter what, and that's a real issue.
People leave this forum because it more and more turns into a right-wing primate-cave where this sort of debate-tactics are tolerated by the administration team, while the most important thing now is to not swear.
Hell, you can even happily share pirated movie links - it's cool, just don't say the f-word.
And just like that you can debate in the most despicable and mean way and insult your opponent way worse, by disrespecting him like we've seen above. That's WAY worse than any f-bomb if you ask me, but the administration decided to not moderate debates besides protecting the countless children on this board(?) from bad bad words that probably destroy their soul upon reading.
I'd rather protect anyone from despicable human scum that, for example, seriously suggests to "nuke the middle east!", but hey - at least no one cursed, right? Phew!
The level of hypocrisy and arbitrariness went completely through the roof quite a while ago and I sincerely believe that's why we lost some incredibly valuable and interesting members and are now left with a right-wing circle jerk of stupidity where, vienna put it best, elementary school yard rhetoric is the way to go for many people.
As long as there won't be a sensible, honest and unbiased moderation of these topics that bear high danger of friction, naturally, there won't be any quality debate at all. Period.
I remember that resident nazi we had, fartenbohn or something?
In his case the moderation demanded he backs his claims up or be gone (holocaust denial craze).
Why isn't that the case always?
Why are people allowed to troll someone into oblivion like above?
Why isn't the moderation team, you know, moderating?
This is beyond me, frankly!
So, considering the above, personally, I don't see why anyone would invest the energy to create a well constructed post (ot post at all, for that matter) if the counter argument is just poo-flinging from an ape-like deplorable who only seeks to disrupt an opponents arguments by basically ignoring or insulting them.
That's the real problem here, not a swear word or an escalation now and then, it happens, no big deal - as long as both sides have an honest agenda and do not just want to disagree because "dem libruls stink!".