[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Castout

Many people like me huh? Yet you don't even know me but claimed to have known me? One ignorant statement after another. Did I bruise your ego?
I never claimed about being ego-less. In fact, I wrote that it is impossible to annihilate the ego except in dreamless sleep or deep meditation where one forgets one's ego and time.

Many people like you I have known who did the same thign like you: endlessly trying to cionvnce others how enlighted/satori-satisfied/transcended they are, ofteh in a bid to be accepted as kind of an authority on spiritual things - yes, many people I learnt like this, and you absolutely remind me of many of these. Some were students of mine, some where clients in other contexts, some were peope with whom i studied at university.

No, I didn't know that poem. It's beautiful.

No? Its the very first part of the Tao Te King, reworded in my own (German) words. I have many German and English translations, and millions, literally, are available via the internet, I happened to not really have liked any of these from A to Z, some things all of them seem to do wrong here and there, so I did it again and did it up to my taste. Chinese cannot be easily translated lineraly like French into English. Its a very different thing. I had help by a sineologist, of course.

Sorry for being rudely open? You have from a long time ago near the beginning tof this thread and well before...Don't be sorry, you're not sorry. I'm just reflecting your attitude here. You are not sorry and I'm not sorry...Well, I'm sorry for you but I'm not sorry for whatever I wrote here. You have no respect for me and I don't have any respect for you. So, the feeling is mutual although I don't share your condescending attitude. I don't desire the respect of anyone I have no respect for. So, no sorry is ever needed.

You were preaching, both on the economic argument, and on your transcendence thing. Sorry man, if somebody so stubbornly insists on himself being transcended, this is best evidence that he is not, and if he claims he can prove it under laboratory conditions, mistaking the monitoring of physiological variables with transcendence, this revelas a seriosu lack of understanding for the rules of scientifc work and interpretation, and experimental methodology.

For somebody claiming he transcended himself, you simply are too eager to make people believe you and applaude your deep insight and authority on things. I can assure you as a former psychologist: dont worry your ego, its strong and steaming with power. But ego and transcendence are mutually exclusive. Because transcendence means much more than altering physiological variables under lab conditions, nor do these "prove" anything more than just what they are: a display of altering physiological variables, the rest is just subjective interpretation, hear-say, wishful thinking at times. Maslow btw had little illusions about this, he would not agree with some of the claims you have made in here. Thats why it is so hard for science to actually prove "spiritualty"-related things and claims and observations. I have serious doubts that it can be done, but I still believe that it should be tried, religion must be an object of scientific examination, due to the enormous power it has over people and due to the poltical authority that is claimed on its grounds - if something has so much power to influence your life for the good or worse, you better have a very very very sharp look at it and leading it on a very short line.

Not favouring the noble,

And people do have no envy.
Not calling possessions a precious,
And people do have no greed.
Not holding what is desired in high esteem,
And people’s hearts stay unattached.

Therefore the wise man:
What people need, he gives.
What people desire, he refuses.
When people’s desires dwindle,
Their true inner strength appears.
Resting with a contented heart
Leaves intelligence innocent.
The deed is well-done,
When it’s wisdom has no ambition.
Acting without ambition,
And all good is caused all by itself

Too many too strong ambitions at your end, buddy.