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Originally Posted by Betonov
Except that we don't excpect free stuff. We except a return on our taxes.
Greece collapsed because there was high level corruption sucking money dry with a population that used every trick in the book to avoid paying them. Greece would have floundered even without all the ''freebies'' we Euros get.
Slovenia has a good track record of paying taxes but has a high level corruption that is sucking us dry. Healthcare and education are not sucking us dry. Fat cats do. Teachers and doctors don't.
And then there's debt. Yugoslavia had 13,6 billion dollar debt in 1988. The countries that form the area today have a total debt of 184 billion dollars. Inflation ws not that high and the biggest share of that debt has Slovenia, which avoided the bloody mess of the nineties Balkans.
So how come the national debt skyrocketed when we lost a lot of the ''freebies'' my parents had. It doesn't make sense.
And move where, every other developed country has the same social system. Taxes for healthcare, education, roads.
And one more thing, there is no looming social collapse in Europe. Greece is Europe, but Europe is not Greece. We are angry, we are dissapointed, but we are still going about our business trying to get our collective asses organised enough to put some pressure on the fat cats. As we say in Slovenia: EU is bad, but imagine if we'd live in the US.
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At risk of stating the obvious, where do you think that debt comes from? as a society, you lived beyond your means and as the debt goes up, so does the interest rate (because you are a bigger default risk), which means less money to provide the 'free' services, so they get cut AND taxes go up.
You misunderstand the crisis you face, the financial one is a disaster, but the demographic one is existential, it means you won't have the tax base to pay for your debts or services.
Move where? look for a country where they are having enough children to pay the taxes for the services you will need as you age, it helps if the country isn't running major deficts too.