[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Betonov

But first, take into account that our culture simply does not give a thought about guns. We consider them a non issue. One more thing to maintain.

So let's make some points:

Actually - I think I will, thank you. This will be fun....

Regime: Slovenia is a western parliamentary democracy. We have the same liberties as you do. Exactly the same liberties.

Well, based on the following quotes of yours, you are simply incorrect....

Hunting: European wildlife was hunted 3/4 to extinction and we had 2000 years to do it. Not to mention that we have twice as many people living on a landmass about the same size as the USA and a lot of forrests were cut down to house and feed that population. Therefore, hunting is severely limited and for a good reason. Only if you're a hunter in a ''hunting family'' you're allowed to own a hunting rifle and a hunting licence and even then you're only allowed to shoot a deer or two in a year.

While there are regional limits to how much one can shoot, hunting itself - along with the ownership of a hunting rifle, is not "severely limited" or based on if your a "hunting family" - whatever that is. Every person without a mental instability or felony conviction can generally own a firearm - including a hunting rifle. A hunting permit is available to anyone for a minor (under $15 in NC for example) fee - no other qualifications necessary. So - was your claim of "exactly the same liberties" a knowledgeable bold face lie, or simply a statement of ignorance?

-Defense: Today we have large conscript armies and modern profesional forces (depends on the country) and NATO. Small militias are really artillery and drone fodder.

I have 2 points - but the second one can wait a moment. The first - so militias (non-official, non-military fighting forces) like the civilized world has faced for the last decade+ in places like Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria and such are merely artillery and drone fodder.... So how come they haven't lost yet then?????

But when it comes to militia, Yugoslavia had what is really called a well regulated citizen militia.

Point #2 now: So Yugoslavia has - in your terms, plenty of artillery and drone fodder. How nice...

Every citizen was trained to fight and had to attend regular exercises. Weapons were in hidden caches, locations known only to certain individual, JNA (Yugoslav national army) and as soon as the area was overrun people would receive weapons and went to the hills to treat the new enemy as the Germans were treated.

How are they going to do that after being blown to smithereens by that artillery and the drones?

The other republics not yet overwhelmed would then mobilise with the 5 million conscripts in reserves and the enemy would soon find himself attacked from the front and the rear.

Uhm - more fodder to the rescue? What's the plan - overrun them once they run out of ammo? Remember - YOU are the one that said a citizen militia would be fodder against modern weaponry......

Personal defense: crime rate is lower than it has ever been.

Not sure where you come by that. Assuming you are in fact from Slovenia. According to NationMaster.com, 64.29% of your fellow countrymen believe that crime has increased in the last 3 years. Violent crime in 2014 you are ranked 84th out of 93. The last available murder rates (2010) has you 80th out of 86.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...Slovenia/Crime

Burglaries are always when one is away

Because when your home - its not burglary - its a home invasion.

pickpocketing is something you can't really do anything about it even with a bazooka

Sure you can - unless you are keeping that bazooka in your pocket. Though most people would suggest a less "explosive" response to such a crime.

we have a competent police force that even if you are robbed at gunpoint, you'll have everything back within a week.

So your saying every robbery that happens will be solved within a week - with a return of the stolen goods? Source that claim for me, will ya?

Plus most of us believe that the last thing we need is every third person on the street carrying a gun.

But - I thought:

But first, take into account that our culture simply does not give a thought about guns.

Which is it?

Especially after happy hour when half the town is drunk.

So what you are saying is half your town is too irresponsible in their control of their liquor to be safe with firearms - so you don't want them to have guns. Are they somehow too irresponsible for guns - but responsible enough to drive cars - or carry knives? Both are legal but deadly, you know...

Oh, and all the criminals here work in packs and they will surround you. Shoot one and the two behind you will jump you and then it's game over.

Wait - but you have:

we have a competent police force

How can "packs of criminals" exist if this is the case?

Pulling out a gun only means that they'll come home with more booty.

I am confused - because that is only booty that they get to have for like ... a week or less, right? Because your police always return the stolen goods within that timeframe..

Question: With police that good - even assuming a pack of criminals COULD organize and exist within that society - what would be the use of crime if they know they are going to get caught within a week??? How does that work?

Makes no sense to ever be a criminal in that society - yet you admit they exist. Something doesn't pass the smell test here.......

Laws: I can own a gun. I just send the application to the state and receive the license after they check my background and if I have a suitable locker.

What is a "suitable locker"? No such requirement in the US - another significant difference where our liberties differ. Just so you are ... better informed....

History: It was free society with some limitations and a one party election.

When you only can vote for one party - you don't have a free society. Freedom requires CHOICE - therefore you had no free society.

Propaganda: we're not brain washed by the state to think we're not oppressed. Quite opposite. We're all so cynical that we don't even believe the state when they're telling the truth.

Is that before or after you buy into the "the police here are so good they solve every robbery in a week" line????

Sheeples are plentiful

Obviously...

If someone would want to run on a platform to allow guns for everyone, he'd loose because no one gives a damn.

Well you must - to have written such a lengthy farce so devoid of logic.

Europeans weak: you wish. We've been slaughtering each other long enough for war to be imprinted in our DNA. We're just collectively tired and we prefer to play tourists. Something you can't do in a war zone.

So perhaps you can explain.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e#21st_century

or perhaps you prefer this line of thinking...

It isn't that you want to play tourist. You do not want to confront the threat of things like global islam. Europe chooses to do little about such threats - even when it bombs and beheads in your own countries.... That isn't playing tourist, that is playing "victim" - and to many in the US - choosing to be a victim makes you look weak.

And I have already said: you can keep your 2nd amendment, I don't want it, my life won't be better or worse with a gun in my room.

2A doesn't require people to own guns - it gives them CHOICE. Remember we already covered that - Choice is integral to a free society...

I already have a bayonet, a machete, 3 swiss pocket knives, one santoku knife, a small butcher knife set, a bow with 5 carbon arrows, 2 airguns, one airsoft G-36 replica, and a kilogram of home made amonium nitrate.

Good for you. Glad you don't think you need a gun. Hope you can notch an arrow, aim and fire faster than a bad guy with a gun can pull a trigger. Your choice - oh wait - not really, huh. But you are right about one thing - it would be "just one more thing to maintain" for you.

When your ready to speak with reason and logic instead of making provably false claims and when your ready to stop contradicting yourself - then MAYBE you will actually be able to have a reasonable discussion on the matter.