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Originally Posted by Skybird
Which was, as far as you mean slavery, a side-effect, and probably not really the intention, some letter quotes from Lincoln leave little doubt that the slaves was not that much a point of interest for him. The real intention was that Northern states wanted to socialize the debts they had accumulat, and demanded the southern states to pay for them. Which the South obviously did not like that much, and why should they - and that time it was no one-national union with a centralised one-governmet-fits-all.
Sounds familiar to you? You are right - history is repeating itself today.
I have become extremely hesitent to see the freeing of slaves as a driving motive of the American civil war. It was about money, destroying local sovereignity and centralised power to strengthen control over the creation of money. Once that was secured, the age of real monumental spending frenzies began, slow at first, but with constantly growing pace. It lasts until today.
Slaves - who cares for slaves... pfffft... Not back then. Not today. We just have globalised the slave quarters, to not have them in our sights thta much.
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Sadly we were the last nation to make slavery a bad thing. Every country has its demons, and even the most die hard of southerners know enslaving someone is wrong, they were slighted by being told what to do by the feds, and I get that, In time the south woulda abolished slavery on there own.
But look at what Mandela did, within a country that is way less tolerant than us. That was my point, some folks seem to think him as evil as Hitler, when all he wanted was an equal voice for natives.
The white Dutch Euros owned S africa for years, with staggering rascism, beyond what we could equate in America all he wanted was a voice. He earned that voice, and no matter how some do not like him, he is a voice of his people, something the people deserve, after being crapped on by Euro colonizers for hundreds of years...
Walk a mile in his shoes, we in America kicked Britains ass, for less.
(edit: who wants outsiders to dictate what is best for us?)