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Originally Posted by MH
The background means something....in theory you are correct in practice very few seem to mind.
If religion or tradition must lose is not for you to decide it a matter of people involved in this.
I don't think that turning the issue into some sort of crusade will do much good.
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I don't think wishing for a righteous law to stand is exactly a crusade...
I think that "very few" seem to mind for two reasons:
1) The prevailing zeitgeist, which makes getting clipped feel normal (perhaps even more normal than
not getting clipped).
2) The fact it was lost so long ago means they don't know what they are losing out on. They say they don't feel they are losing but the fact is they can't know.
Yet the fact that objective loss occurs suggests that perhaps it is about time to stop any new circumcisions for anything but medical reasons (of at least the severity that would motivate the cutting out of an appendix).
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Originally Posted by joegrundman
The important thing is this: Germany is AGAIN outlawing the practice of Judaism.
This is not a message that Germany wants to make. Believe me, I mean Germany well, and Germany just cannot be the one to decide this. It will work out badly for Germany.
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When I read the news, I had similar thoughts. On the other hand, you can't always choose where your battle takes place, and I hope Germany holds firm on this.
If the Jews do play the cards as you suggest, I finally understand why Japan sticks firm to the position that things settled by treaty are done. People always say the solution to the Far East history problem is for Japan to make Germany style apologies complete with Germany style compensations. But here we see it. No matter how many apologies you make or how sincere they are, people
never are satisfied even if they formally accept. Aggress them even once, even on something that you are in the right on, and they drag everything back out of the history bin to emotion-load the argument in their favor.
At some point, you have to stop letting apologies and history keep pulling youa round the nose.
Or perhaps the Jews can prove me wrong here by not playing that card. I understand they have to throw a temper tantrum first but when they are done perhaps they can take the chance to accept that their practices have to evolve with the times.