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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo
Remember the bolded part - we are going to come back to it.....
Struggle to read? Galatians 5:4 is not what you quoted. It is:
"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace"
I assume you meant Gal 5:14?
The commandments were in 2 parts - love your neighbor completes the final 6 - which is dealing with your fellow man. It entirely neglects the first 4. This is NOT a Biblical error - its is about the context of the passage - those who held to "law" alone were not justified - for redemption and salvation comes only through Christ, not through the law.
Context - Romans 12:9
"For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
Count em up - there are not 10 commandments there. Given that this was in reference to the dealing of a man to his society - and not to God, its accurate. However, your showing a distinct lack of scholarship and understanding if your suggesting that loving your fellow man (as in mankind - not as in gay sex) somehow equates to accepting salvation, following the will of the Lord and worshipping HIM.
Really? Yet the law is repeatedly held in abeyance under the direct command of God. Or were orders to kill ever man, male child and non-virgin woman of the Midianites love that did no harm? There are multiple examples of that in the Bible too.
Oh - and since you want to quote Paul - and I find it quite funny given the original topic as well... perhaps you would like to address and explain Romans 1:27-32 - in which Paul clearly states that homosexuals - along with others - are "worthy of death". Kind of a harsh statement from a guy who later says "just love everybody", isn't it?
Yes - just like everyone else can. But anyone can take something out of context to make it LOOK like something else. Its a favorite tactic of those who don't like what the Bible actually has to say - who feel it just doesn't fit their own personal morals. Its also readily transparent and easily pointed out.
And as someone who is doing your best to continue the perversion of the Christian faith by throwing out such misinformation - take a bit of correction. You forget or are intentionally ignoring the fact that Paul was writing to fellow believers and those who would be fellow believers. To seek to apply its tenents globally is yet another fallacy often put forth by those that seek to ultimately discredit the Word of God. Again - nice try - but its a failure.
Oh - and fulfill the law - remember Matthew 5:17 - we don't need to "fulfill the law" - for the Lord Jesus came and did exactly that.
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You said the term "do no harm" was pagan and not in the bible, I simply showed you otherwise and you went into some silly lecture instead of admitting your error.
Show me anywhere where I said loving your fellow man or doing no harm equals salvation....didn't say it, I said it's the new law in which we should live by, because love and doing no harm fulfills the law. The 10 commandments fit because they're moral law, it is the levitical law that was put away, which only the jews lived by anyway. However, I don't accept that all levitical law was given by God, much was cruel and cultural, moreso to women, course I suspect you believe it was God given and probably believe the earth is 6000 years old, a global flood happened, etc..
If the bible was so poorly translated to latin and english, you would find the subject material related more to prostitution and pederasty which was common.
However, I don't take everything literal in the bible as you, much spoken was due to culture, women still property with no rights, etc....
All you had to do was say you made an error, but I guess you would rather
put gays behind electric fences and let them die out like the nut preacher
here in NC would do.
All cultures gave credit to their God or Gods for battle, saying God told them to do this or that, much like Bush and Palin would do, we killed a lot of women and children ourselves in our God blessed wars.
Geesh, no reason fundy christians scare me, thankfully we have secular law or many christians here would be no better than the Taliban. Maybe we should bring back Polygamy since God endorsed it and concubines "shacking up" as other God blessed forms of relationships