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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But we already have Aces Of The Deep. It was more realistic than any of them, and almost twenty years ago. Unless by "realism" you're talking about eye candy. The only need for a new subsim would be to get it right for a change.

Yeah...what he said...This has been my main complaint of the Genre. We had a great sim in AOTD to pretty much use as "START HERE" when making a uboat sim from scratch. I think too many devoplers are trying to reinvent the wheel or get cute with fluff...and not enough BASIC siming and gameplay aspects. I think its hard for those who have played AOTD to swallow such a pill of these "newer" prettier but less immersive and playable sims. The newer player.....has no basis of comparison. I think its good that initial comparison from SH3 on crack to stock SH5 showed at least a big disparity for more people to realize just how bad it has become. AOTD was damn good out of the box...had maybe two patches and no MODs that I know of. It was a rockstar of immersion. I just wish people would realize that just because it's pretty...doesnt mean it will hold your attention if the gameplay sucks. There were aspects of AOTD that were gamey and not realistic ..but there was so much other good stuff that it really hooked me in and made you feel part of the hunt. I assumed, incorrectly, that once another Uboat sim came out...it would be even more immersive with better graphics.....we are getting there...but its really unbelievable that we were basically taking two steps back for one step forward for soooo long...to now, i think, were I think we have a chance to see something special in overly modded SH5 to maybe a new sim in a couple of years. SH5 stock...is just sooo damn gamey...point and clicky...and cheesy....so much to be desired.