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Originally Posted by washishu
Seems to me that the whole SH4 interface is not well designed and is extremely fussy and visually complex. Especially the clumsy orders buttons, the text box (for the orders etc.) which is in the way no matter where you put it, and that crew management screen - whoever designed that should be hung by the neck until dead.
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I'm not sure I should be answering this, since you want a friend of mine hung by the neck until dead.
Now that that's out of the way, I've found no problems with the SH4 interface other than that no one has duplicated the 'Simfeeling 6-Dials' mod for SH3, which removes everything from the screen and makes them all slide-outs. It took me about a week to get used to the text box, and for the last five years I've hardly noticed it.
The Crew Management screen? I think it's better than SH3's. I know where my crew are and what they're doing at all times. I'm not to happy about having to move the gun crew into position myself, but I live with it. And the Watch Officer moves to the bridge without me taking him by the hand.
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I appreciate that it takes time to become accustomed to any new interface but the whole thing seems so poorly designed that I'm bound to wonder if it's worth the effort.
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That's a fair opinion, but I disagree. I think SH4 is a definite improvement over SH3, and only wish it had gotten the same attention from the modders.
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It's not unreasonable (is it?) to expect that version four of any software would be an improvement upon previous versions and although this will be, to some degree, a matter of opinion, SH4 seems to have more in common with SH1 or 2 than it does with SH3. And I don't mean the change back to the Pacific; for example the inability to control precisely the raising of the periscope - this was a feature lacking in the early versions when processors etc. were not as powerful and in this and other aspects, we seem to have taken a step backward here. What am I missing?
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The Insert-Delete-Page Up-Page Down buttons don't work for you? They seem okay to me.
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Q: is there a decent manual available for SH4?
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No. The supermods all come with pretty good manuals, though.
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The standard pdf "manual" is little short of an insult to the intelligence.
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As was SH3's. No one seems to be interested in writing a decent manual anymore.
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Q: do these mods improve any of the (seems to me many) design faults of SH4 or are they just what might be called eye candy?
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TMO is not only focused on AI and gameplay improvements, that is its main focus. Graphics improvements are basically concerned with fixing graphics problems.
FOTRS is based on TMO but takes it in a different direction. Someone with experience with that mod will have to give a full explanation.
RFB (Real Fleet Boat) is another great supermod, and again its focus is on fixing the AI and handling problems first, and graphics second.
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To all you dedicated SH4 Wolves of the Pacific; come on, persuade me; I'd like to spend some time in warm Pacific waters or should I just go back to the cold North Atlantic?
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As to that, considering the way you started your attack, all I can say is that I don't know you, I'm not sure I care to, and I couldn't care less whether you are persuaded or not. My assessment was as honest as I could make it, but I'm not going to try to convince you of anything, because I thought your approach was rude, arrogant and dismissive.