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Originally Posted by Skybird
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Maybe becasue that variety of possible interpretations is illusory, or ill-based. To me, the teaching of quran is primitive, inhumane, and evil, and I can fully understand the need in people to try to believe in so,mehtijg better than that. The old god of the Thora is a tyrannic psychopath and sadistic dictator. It took quite some creative, hairsplitting, witty intellectualism to turn that beast of a guy into the forgiving, well-meaning father modern Jews prefer to believe in, and christians as well. the christian god in the OT is basing on the Jewish Jahwe, but the new testament (Jesus reforming of Judaic belief - that si what made him so dangerous to the pharisees) implemented a different con cpet of God, and again some century later came the inner-christian reformation, leading to the splitting of the church into Orthodox Catholicism, and Protestants. there was a desire to leave the old revnging vulcan god of thethora and Ot behind, and the same desire is felt by many Muslims - thus their desire to distort the quranic teaching to degrees that quran simply does not support, and thinking that the resulting "interpretation" of islam nevertheless wopuld be "original". It is a compliment for muslims that they see the need to escape the Quranic origianl conceptions. but they are inconsistent when that does not lead them to question the claimed fame and status of that conception, and want to be seen in conformity with it while already having abandoned it in parts.
when you see the evil in Nazism and refuse Nazism therefore, there is no excuse why you nevertheless want to be seen as a Nazi. eventually you do it if you think you can make claims over it for benefits that otherwise you donot deserve. I think that is wehat many Muslims do on a subconsious level.
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That is brief but still insightful view on religion.
I as an atheist agree with it 100% i have many religious friends and co workers and sometimes i like to sting them about how God is actually mean and revengeful toward his believers and ruthless toward unbelievers.
Kind of egomaniac?.
I also ask them how they can take seriously this "gods chosen people" thing considering Jewish history.....from my point of view we where chosen by GOD to be kicked around-some kind of dark sense of humor.
Ok... i don't get stoned to death as i would if Israel was like Iran or Saudia.
From my point of view it is impotent to have division between state and religion.
For Europe it took hundreds of years to achieve that-you can go to church every Sunday but its not a big deal if your neighbor doesn't.
For most part your children still will go to same school and learn same values.
Islam for now has a hard time in doing that-in many countries it is achieved by dictatorship and iron feast.
Arab countries are what Europe was 1000 years ago.
I think its quite understandable why Europeans should be at least be watchful toward Islam as it is today.I think that letting emigrants know that certain things are not OK is a good thing.
It may actully help the next genaretion with the intagration.
Some times it can also have opsite effect but nothings pefect
Islam definitely can be threat to Western way of life as it by definition lacks(and is not supposed to have ) any tolerance to non Muslim way of life as should be forced upon people whenever circumstances allow that.
That can be jihad or demographic majority.
This may not be solid view of every religious Muslim but it is a view of most religious leaders.
Of course there are reformist in Islam as there where in Christianity 500 years ago.