I think regarding this interesting subject, the over-generalisation in this thread does not really help the debate. People stick to their prefab opinions and try to put anything into a left-right sceme. However I think most of the points made in this thread are not based on xenophobia, but on opinions which are based on experiences.
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Originally Posted by Skybird
....Yesterday, activists from the left scene attacked a house were Arab immigrants that - rarely enough - tried to express some sympathy with their new home nation by hanging out a german flag from the window, the house was set on fire, anonymous spokesmen claimed that the left cpuld not tolerate such blatant displays of "Germanism" in Germany. ....
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wrong, check your facts.
When I first read this, i was shocked that people were tried to be burned - which is arson to a residential house. All sources say that the flag was only taken off. Quite a difference to a murder attempt!
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Originally Posted by Snestorm
The map looks like a left-winger's dream come true.
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I don't know any left-wingers who would like to live in an islamic republic. Check what Iran does with with political opposition from the left (basically what it does to any people who have a different opinion.)
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
Thats easy
Well for starters not all Israelis are Jewish and not all Jews are Israelis, so Israel is just a country with its own individual policies and actions.
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Israel was founded as a sanctuary for the Jewish people. Historical comparible only with the foundation of Liberia (granted not the best example). While your first sentence is true, I think you cannot compare Israel to other countries in the world. Does it mean you can't critize it? Hell, no! Does it mean Israels right of existance must be defended? Hell yes!
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Originally Posted by AngusJS
And could environment and class be a factor in explaining the minority crime rate?
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of course it does to an extent, but unlike Marx said, who claimed that you are formed by your environment, you have the chance to form your environment. Like Schroeder said: certain people just complain and do nothing to change their situation, while others, who come here with virtually nothing, just start to build up their own existance and put in some effort to change their situation.
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Originally Posted by Skybird
@ Angus,
.... the left wants to destroy the Westenr constitutional orders
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oh please. There are many laws who would not be there, if people (not only) from the left wouldn't have fought and died for. For example Social equality, Seperation of state and church, workers rights. Look at German's special "Right of Resistance" against anyone who want to change fundamental parts of the Constitution, like freedom of Speech, Freedom of Press, etc.
Certainly there are enough idiots in the left, Orwell's describtion of them in "The Road to Wigan Pier" is still one of the best and still up-to-date.
I agree with you that these are freedoms we should not take for granted and it is worth fighting against anyone who want to turn the wheel of history backwards, no matter whetther they come from the religious, left, right, yellow, blue or whatever side.
I could care less about German culture, as it is been said, culture is nothing static, but there are values which are not open for debate, some call them "Western values", some call them "universial human rights" - you get the idea.
How can we change these problems? Well, I would be a rich man, if I had the sollution. Some ideas:
1. Treating people really equally means you treat ANY cultural and religios as the same and no one gets a special bonus. "Oh you had a bad youth? ok, you get a slap on the hand for armed robbery..."
2. Defending the rights of a free and open society. No matter if morons from the government use fear or religous zealots or political idiots use intimidation to take away rights. No way!
3. Education. When asking a friend of mine, who was a violent adolescent migrant, what would be the solution to the problems we have with the youth he answereded right this: Education! Without getting interested into science and books he would be dead or in prison right now.
(...says Penguin, who does not speak for anbody but himself)