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Skybird · 06-21-10, 10:36 AM

Turkey's treacherous role in the Gaza incident superceded the reporting on the Turkish offensive in the Kurdish area. The operation got some mentioning in the german news, but no major coverage. 10 Turks wounded, 12 Kurds killed, they wrote, and quotes of much nationalistic propaganda and martial threats spilled out by Erdoghan.

In these days that is no headline anymore. The Kurds do not raise any interest anywhere, and to Erdoghans split-tongued poisenous tirades most people already got used by now, somehow.

turkey wants to become a regional dominant power, and sees itself taking claim of the Osman heritage. their new martial posture against the Kurds and their ongoing denial of the Armenian genocide are just two of the more obvious symptoms for that. turkey is clearly turning away from the West, Washington and Europe. If they were a EU member, they nevertheless would do so - but abusing their influence via the EU to do evben more dmage to the West. currently they are busy with reducing and finally neutralising the last bastion of kemalistic influence - the constitutional court, and the military. chances are that these last bastion will fall to the relgious, too. And then it should become obvious for even the most stupid idiot in Europe or Washington that we escaped a worst case scanerio when blocking Turkey from the EU.

We must make them leave NATO as well. they are no longer that reliable ally that - admitted! - they have been for several decades during the cold war. The new Turkey formed by the AKP is no ally, but an opponent at least. and I can imagine future mid-term scenarios when western forces will clash with Turkish forces in the ME - indirectly as well as directly and head on. As I see it, Turkey's role becomes more and more a parallel to that of Pakistan.

I wish their military would start a coup and destroy the AKP, establishing a regime by the generals again. No ideal solution for a Western nation - but Turkey is no Wetsern nation, and in the oprient, dictatorships work quite well. At least they keep the religious in check - something that democracies are not strong enough to acchieve there.

06-21-10, 10:36 AM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,628 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Turkey's treacherous role in the Gaza incident superceded the reporting on the Turkish offensive in the Kurdish area. The operation got some mentioning in the german news, but no major coverage. 10 Turks wounded, 12 Kurds killed, they wrote, and quotes of much nationalistic propaganda and martial threats spilled out by Erdoghan. In these days that is no headline anymore. The Kurds do not raise any interest anywhere, and to Erdoghans split-tongued poisenous tirades most people already got used by now, somehow. turkey wants to become a regional dominant power, and sees itself taking claim of the Osman heritage. their new martial posture against the Kurds and their ongoing denial of the Armenian genocide are just two of the more obvious symptoms for that. turkey is clearly turning away from the West, Washington and Europe. If they were a EU member, they nevertheless would do so - but abusing their influence via the EU to do evben more dmage to the West. currently they are busy with reducing and finally neutralising the last bastion of kemalistic influence - the constitutional court, and the military. chances are that these last bastion will fall to the relgious, too. And then it should become obvious for even the most stupid idiot in Europe or Washington that we escaped a worst case scanerio when blocking Turkey from the EU. We must make them leave NATO as well. they are no longer that reliable ally that - admitted! - they have been for several decades during the cold war. The new Turkey formed by the AKP is no ally, but an opponent at least. and I can imagine future mid-term scenarios when western forces will clash with Turkish forces in the ME - indirectly as well as directly and head on. As I see it, Turkey's role becomes more and more a parallel to that of Pakistan. I wish their military would start a coup and destroy the AKP, establishing a regime by the generals again. No ideal solution for a Western nation - but Turkey is no Wetsern nation, and in the oprient, dictatorships work quite well. At least they keep the religious in check - something that democracies are not strong enough to acchieve there. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.