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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
Which founders in particular? Adams, who signed a law that made it a crime to say anything negative about congress or the president? Jefferson, who was accused by religious leaders of the time of being an atheist, and by the political opponents of trying to sell us out to the French? Marshall, who was the first Chief Justice to be accused of "legislating from the bench", even though he ruled against himself? Of course he also set up the Supreme Court as the chief arbiter of what the Constitution means.
People like to talk about how horrible things are today. People have been talking about how horrible things are ever since 1787. You need to read more of what those people actually wrote before you complain about what someone is doing now. Just because you don't like a particular leader doesn't mean he's wrong. I don't like Obama's politics either, but the country has survived worse. Ask anybody on the other side of Lincoln. Or Jefferson. Even Washington was accused of all sorts of evil by the newspapers of his own day. If you really think things are bad, do something about it. Get yourself into office and try to make a change.
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Oh boy where to begin? Well first of all, I have read plenty about the founders so do not appreciate the "you need to read so and so before you complain" line, because I know plenty. To keep it short, I will just say the major difference between the founders you listed and Obama is that the founders loved America.Adam's was wrong but no doubts he loved his nation, a nation he helped create.The accusations against Jefferson were just his opponents playing politics.Does not matter if Jefferson was an atheist, means he was an exceptionally bright man in a time when even educated, intelligent people were way too wrapped up in religion but the label of atheist was used in politics to try and bring down an opponent.Thurgood Marshall is one of my least favorite justices.I was Pre-Law in college and had a bunch of praise about Marshall shoved down my throat but for the most part he was pretty racist and disagreed with most of his decisions.I start Law School in the Fall and sure I will have to hear about him much more, unfortunately.Lincoln did free the slaves which is a good thing but he pushed a pretty brutal military campaign on the South and absolutely abused his power, I am not a big fan of his.George Washington was attacked by some and it was just politics.Whatever my disagreement with the Presidents and Justice mentioned above, they did love this country, may have been wrong about some things but they did love the US even with some of it's faults.
The big difference as I stated is Obama does not have a real love of this country.Obama's lack of real roots and turbulent family life as a young man has left him rather bitter I believe.I believe in knowing they enemy so I have studied a bit about him.Have you read his books? The first book "Dreams of My Father" which was authored long before he was in politics is rather candid about his views on many things such as his feelings about race.From saying he felt his paternal grandfather in Kenya was a "house ******, uncle tom" etc because he worked for a white man to admitting that in order to not be seen as a sellout, he chose his friends carefully and sought out the politically active black students, the marxists, the chicanos etc so basically anything but white.Amazingly the book "Audacity of Hope" had a magic change in his views when he authored it while a Senator and planning to run for President.
Obama's associations with people like Wright, Ayers, Resko , Van Jones, etc etc going on the apology tour, passing that ridiculous health care bill against the will of the people, trying to bribe Joe Sestak out of the PA Senate race(hopefully theyll go after him for that, maybe send him the way of Richard Nixon) the stimulus, his racist reaction the Cambridge Police Incident, lackluster performance on the oil spill etc combine that with his apparent disdain for America as it is and has been, he is different that any other President and the criticism is not just political, its legitimate arguments against what he is trying to do.This is prob the most dangerous person to hold the office of President.
Finally, as far as doing something about it, well I am only in my 20's and about to begin Law School but who knows.I really have no desire in running for office but does not mean I can not speak on the issue of this terrible President that managed to sneak into office.Obama reminds me of the guy who takes advantage of a girl after she breaks up with her bf etc, he moves in for the rebound when shes weak and vulnerable but sooner or later she gets over it and is like "what the hell was I thinking?" well that is pretty much what he did to America in 2008.Things went down under Bush, he came in and although an obvious lefty ran as a centrist and sweet talked a large portion of the nation that was hurting and he got in, then has ran wild since with mostly ridiculous policies and all the wackjobs he associates with who have followed him in.Valerie Jarrett, Van Jones, Cass Sunstein, forgot her name but the deputy press sec who said her favorite political philosopher was Mao, yes Mao.Luckily and even though Im not a huge fan of his, Glenn Beck exposed them enough that they the Mao lover and Van Jones(an admitted communist who has some very disturbing racial views) resigned.
My original comment about the founders would be very upset to see who is President, I stand by it because they founded this nation and would be very upset to see what kind of trash we have running the show right now.The End.