[Leandros]

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

Screw them, it wouldn't have been the Germans that won the war but the Nazis..

You mean, if Germany had won the war the German people would have dethroned Hitler and his cohorts for winning it....

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

And you are quite right, the Atlantic War was the key to the entire European Theater. If Doenitz had had more subs at the beginning, he might've been able to scare the British into ceasefire or capitulation..

Hardly, Churchill might have been deposed but moved to Canada where he could continue consuming fat cigars and cognac, continuing the war with Empire resources.

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

And then, in December 1941, Hitler declared war on the US, mostly because of their support for the Brits with convoys and escorts. Even so, as late as 1943 the Uboats still had the chance to cut of Europe, but failed..

Particularly if Hitler had not declared war on the US. I have a hard time imagining that the US would have declared war on Germany with the hard time they had in the Pacific in the beginning.

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

The real surprise was that they were so effective until then.

That I can agree upon......