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Originally Posted by Schroeder
@Skybird
Well, but declaring the Israelis to be victims only isn't correct either. I'm pretty sure that France would be pretty pi$$ed too if Germany would start building settlements on their soil. How long do you think would they condone that before a few Le clercs and Rafales would "help" the settlers to de construct their houses again? I think both sides are constantly pouring gas into the fire down there.
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On parts of the settlements issue you are right. However, the palestinians already could have had an agreement and treaty with Israel - SINCE MANY YEARS. they screwed up, because they wanted all, and thought that all Arab states' support would be theirs.
I never hid that I hold no special feelings for Israel, I do not defend it'S right for self-existence due to sympathy or because I think as a german I should do so, or any other of this sentimental stuff. I pragmatically do it because the foundign of Israel is more than two generations ago. you can't reverse the time without doing a comparable ammount of injustice AGAIN, but this time to the Israelis. Israeli state shouldn't not be there, but it is, and since long, and now we have to deal with it. Cancelling it's founding is no option.
Maybe that is no the kind of sympathetic lip confession diplomacy is so fond of, but it is a solid reason why I support Israel in real, not just by lip confession. You can reverse a state founding when it is 2 or 3 years ago - not 60 years.
Whether I think that Israel can strategically survive in the long term, is another thing. Nor do I tzhinbk foundign the state iof Israel in that place should have been done. Strategically, it was foolish. But for the time being I see no moral alternative to supporting it. And despite it's obvious flaws and problems with Jewish extremists, it still is a hundred times a more sane and reasonable place than any of it's neighbours in the region.