[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by cyllan

i already have read that they plan to simplify some of the sub micro management for next version.

And that's a good thing, as SH3's ultra-micro management was silly and unrealistic. SH4's was much better, as the captain did not manage his crew directly; but there's still room for improvement.

if they wanted to make a REAL sub simulation, half the time you would all die on your sleep from a depth charge, and forget about targeting convoys with destroyers on your own, THAT is not realistic either, but as i say

I have to disagree here. First, a depth charge would not kill you in your sleep, simply because if a destroyer was anywhere that close everyone would be on the alert, especially the captain. As for attacking escorted convoys alone, that is exactly what they did do before wolfpacks were instituted, and after they stopped the practice.

REALliTY is boring , and i a cant waste 30 minutes each way just to start playing the game,

I, on the other hand, 'waste' an hour of game time every time I start a patrol just driving out of the harbor, watching the sights. And every four hours of game time I come out of time compression just to look around and see if the weather has changed. And I 'waste' an hour every game day coming out of TC and conducting trim dives and emergency dive drills.

and if you have all those things on co2 fuel etc, you have to go minimun speed to save fuel, which takes even more time.

Not so at all. As has already been pointed out, cruising at 9-10 knots (1/3 in SH3, Standard in most SH4 mods) gets you there at a (pardon the term) 'realistic' rate.

so you have to play with those things off, which means (as i dont use the manual torpedo system) that i dont get rep, so i cant buy good torpedoes (what kind of simulator refits your sub with rep credits......?)

The good and bad points of renown, and its purpose, have been discussed many times before here. If you wanted to just ask about it, any of us would be glad to have that discussion again.

and my career is not brilliant whatever i do, this plus the event camera off kills it,

No career of mine has ever been brilliant either. I like it that way. And the very first thing I ever did was turn the stupid Event Camera off. I hate that thing. Difference of opinion, you see?

this game can be fun but is not well thought out, and after 3 tries they should know.

Many of us agree with you there, but as you see for different reasons.

and just because there wasnt that many naval battles it doesnt make this a good excuse to make the gameplay empty.

The whole point of WW2 submarine combat was to hunt down and sink enemy merchant shipping. Most of us don't consider that to be "empty".

gas, fuel , batteries, and co2 levels together make the game a toss.

Only for you. Some of us like it that way.

i repeat THIS IS A COMPUTER GAME.

computer games are supposed to be fun,

journing 20 minutes pressing the co2, time compression gauge, o2 and fuel gauges every few seconds, is not fun , not even remotely,

Don't travel submerged, follow the advice given, and you won't have to do those things.

by the same rule lets simulate a coal train, (where you have to put coal on the engine every minute or so ).

There are games that do that very thing. Well, not the shovelling coal part, but then these sims don't make you adjust the fuel valves or throw the dock lines either (though there are some who want that as well).

is just not clever, i hope they learn for SH5,

Learn what? To make it more arcadish? You can indeed turn off all those extra functions if you want too. What's wrong with having both?

i would however prefer to see a sub game from the 70s 80s and 90s, more fun , more dangerous..,

So you want a modern subsim? Or Cold War? Realistically you would do nothing but cruise. No combat, ever. It just didn't happen. You can have combat with something like that, but please don't call it realistic.

i would also like to see a better tutorial,

And there we agree 100%.