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Originally Posted by Aramike
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. ....is bullocks. Atheists hardly ever consider themselves more important without a god.
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This statement is true for SOME. There are indeed others who approach the issue with a sense of self-importance.
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after christians went into the offensive the last couple years, trying to force me into their morale standarts, trying to bring their private and personal affairs into the open and public big time. As long people stay at home with religion I have zero problems with it. But as soon they come out and try to make my life harder with their often hypocritical morale views, then it's time to fight back. By now christians in general made such a bad impresion on me, especially american ones (sorry, but these are the most vocal ones)
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I am curious as to how your life has been made harder...
What makes a bad impression upon me (someone who's wholly agnostic) is when atheists claim things such as a Ten Commandments display makes their lives harder... |
The 10 amandmends certainly don't make my life any harder.
And I never said so. Something I am pretty sure you are aware of.
Please, I respect your intelligence, don't insult mine by deliberately misreading, kay?
In fact, I respect the ten amandmends, as much as I do respect the biblical figure of Jesus (don't know eough about the historical one). He was on the right track with his views and examples. I hardly have a problem with the original message but what christianity made out of it in the course of history and their need for a frightening god to make ppl comply with these messages.
I have a problem when instead of philosophy in school, where common values for all ppl are taught, no matter if christians, jews, muslims etc, is sabotaged by christians who want seperate religious lessons, seperating ppl, giving each of them a different set of values. That is a perfect way to fracture society and hindering integration of, for example muslim communities, into western standarts of values, indepedant of religion. As happend in Berlin recently. Our society is based on enlightment, not religion, respect that as much as atheists respect the right for privatlly held religion.
I have a problem with christians attempting to bring creationism or intelligent design into biology. Or trying to redefine scientific terms like "theory" to label their theology and make it appear reputable.
I have a problem with christians trying to hinder children to learn about sexuality, trying to force them into morale values that are deeply questionable. not because they have no possibility to live those values themselves, but because they want to force others to learn and accept them, too.
I have a problem with christians trying to convert me, or my family into their line of thinking.
I have a problem with prominent christians stating that human rights are not compatible with the bible and just a fashion of the modern era.
I have a problem with christians rather accepting holocaust deniers then liberals within their ranks, as happend here just recently with the catholic church.
I have a problem with religions that want to shut down peopls brain and let them follow a book without question. But that is something christianity shares with quite a couple other ideologies.
And last but not least, I have a problem with religious folks constant attempts to make ppl afraid of god when they don't do as he commands. We had enough dicatorships in real life, no need for any more on the imagination level. I rather rely on common sense when solving problems then to stick what folks wrote into a book 2000 years ago, especially when there are quite a couple other religions out there with contradicting world views.
2.1 billion christians there may be, but that leaves 5 billion thinking otherwise.