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iven72 10-17-06 12:21 PM
Is 1-2 big ships per patroll good?
 
I am using the VIIB and when attacking the larger ships they take somtimes 4 or m ore trrpedos to sink is that average? I do use the targeting computer and GW mod. somtimes even the small ships take 2-3 torpedos. Also have you had problems getting credit for sunk ships? I had one on more than one occasion where its dead in the water 3/4 sunk I come back later after the weather calms down to finish it with the deack gun and its gone.

Respenus 10-17-06 12:27 PM
The GW mod has an excellent damage mod. Some say even too good. Smaller ships should go down with 1-2 fish, bigger ones need more 2-4, depending on which and where you hit them. Tankers usually need 1 torpedo, again depending on where you hit it.

If you use your external camera, always go chech if the screws are turning! If they are, wait for the boat to sink and if they aren't, you can go hunt others.

It's preferable that you stay near a damaged ship as you will have positive confirmation that she sunk.

You do know it sometimes took hours for ships to sink!

AVGWarhawk 10-17-06 12:29 PM
GW makes sinking the ships harder than the out of box version. The small tramp steamers are just about indestructable. I usually leave them alone because you do not get a whole lot of tonnage for them and waste torps for it. :nope: As for big ships, yep 2-3 torps to send them down. Sometimes you get lucky and nail it with one torp. As long as you see "she is going down' you should get credit. I did however did not get credit for a kill because my bout was not in visual contact at the time it went down.:cry: I just came off a patrol in the VIIB and have 4 ships sunk. One by cannon fire...small tramp steamer just for fun:yep:

Warmonger 10-17-06 12:53 PM
With TGW 1.1 and a VII type boat I usually come home with 4-6 sunk ships. Just learn to aim for vital spots and, especially in convoy attacks (I like to spread out my torps one per ship, hoping for lucky shots and stragglers) accept ships which are damaged only.

Jimbuna 10-17-06 01:44 PM
Hi AVG...was wondering how you find 'small tankers' ? IMO there just like you describe the tramps (indestructable) :hmm:

AVGWarhawk 10-17-06 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbuna
Hi AVG...was wondering how you find 'small tankers' ? IMO there just like you describe the tramps (indestructable) :hmm:
To be honest, I do not see lone tankers. I have seen plenty of tankers in convoys. They seem to go down in 1-2 hits. Again, it all depends on were you hit them. Sometimes the ammo bunker is your first hit on some ships and up she goes! I think if you hit the dead middle of the tanker she will split in two. I normally send out two torps to do the job on the large ships. I keep my spread tight so both torps hit and I hit different parts of the ship so it will flood in both ends.

Shikkapow 10-17-06 02:41 PM
How do you adjust the aiming point if you use the automatic TDC?
I don't use the manual input and don't understand how to adjust the aimpoint if using auto, I always seem to hit dead center...

mookiemookie 10-17-06 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Shikkapow
How do you adjust the aiming point if you use the automatic TDC?
I don't use the manual input and don't understand how to adjust the aimpoint if using auto, I always seem to hit dead center...
Don't use the lock feature (hotkey: "L") when putting a ship in your sights. Your torpedo will go wherever the periscope crosshairs are. On tankers, it's good to aim just directly in front of the stack.

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
To be honest, I do not see lone tankers. I have seen plenty of tankers in convoys.
In the middle of the Atlantic, they're hard to find. Approaching the English Channel, the North Channel, over on the U.S. east coast or in the Caribbean you see them occasionally. A good sign that you have one, or something equally as juicy is if you get a contact update where it shows the ship's speed as medium or fast.

AVGWarhawk 10-17-06 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Shikkapow
How do you adjust the aiming point if you use the automatic TDC?
I don't use the manual input and don't understand how to adjust the aimpoint if using auto, I always seem to hit dead center...

I use weapon officer assist and play at 79%...outside views on for the eye candy. You can aim were you want with just the assist. If you lock the target it will always go to the center of the merchant. Unlock and you can aim manually. Also, the compressed air torpedos you can set the speed. I always get to within in 1500m for my solution. With that said, the fast torpedo will hit in the bow area, medium speed in the middle and slow speed will hit the screws. Like I said, I always send out two in a close spread so both hit, one in the bow and one in the stern.

P_Funk 10-17-06 06:05 PM
The targeting computer is a very complex mistress. One thing that you must overcome conceptually is that the computer doesn't really target the merchant. What it does is take into account the information as to the ship's speed and course and such which you input. It then calculates how much a torpedo which you fire would have to lead the target in order to score a hit. So wherever you point the crosshair the computer is always assuming that is where the target is. This means that if your numbers are accurate pointing at specific parts of the ship will score a hit there. The locking feature is merely something of convenience.

It also occurs to me that this target lock button we all use seems to be impossible to have been created back then. These days computers use radar or heat detection or something of the like to track targets. Back then there was no such potential for automated tracking. So am I right in assuming that this "Lock" feature is a gameplay conceit from the developers created to ease the overload of players set with doing all the work of a submarine?

Lastly I like the very tough damage model of GW. Unlike before now you actually have to make decisions as to who to engage. Small merchants are no longer simply 1 hit kills. Every attack is now a considered investment of your U-boat's offensive potential which is limited. GW is succeeding in not only making a U-boat or a merchant behave as it should but is actually making us ourselves THINK more like a real captain.:rock:

_Seth_ 10-17-06 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by P_Funk
It also occurs to me that this target lock button we all use seems to be impossible to have been created back then. These days computers use radar or heat detection or something of the like to track targets. Back then there was no such potential for automated tracking. So am I right in assuming that this "Lock" feature is a gameplay conceit from the developers created to ease the overload of players set with doing all the work of a submarine?
i Agree with you: I think the target lock button is intended to help newbie players with targeting, and its not historically correct. I remember using it myself when i bought the game, and even now i sometimes use it . Without it i probably wouldnt be playing SHIII today. But its much cooler to play "real-stuff" anyway!

Albrecht Von Hesse 10-17-06 06:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by P_Funk
The targeting computer is a very complex mistress. One thing that you must overcome conceptually is that the computer doesn't really target the merchant. What it does is take into account the information as to the ship's speed and course and such which you input. It then calculates how much a torpedo which you fire would have to lead the target in order to score a hit. So wherever you point the crosshair the computer is always assuming that is where the target is. This means that if your numbers are accurate pointing at specific parts of the ship will score a hit there. The locking feature is merely something of convenience.

It also occurs to me that this target lock button we all use seems to be impossible to have been created back then. These days computers use radar or heat detection or something of the like to track targets. Back then there was no such potential for automated tracking. So am I right in assuming that this "Lock" feature is a gameplay conceit from the developers created to ease the overload of players set with doing all the work of a submarine?

Lastly I like the very tough damage model of GW. Unlike before now you actually have to make decisions as to who to engage. Small merchants are no longer simply 1 hit kills. Every attack is now a considered investment of your U-boat's offensive potential which is limited. GW is succeeding in not only making a U-boat or a merchant behave as it should but is actually making us ourselves THINK more like a real captain.:rock:
I believe the lock feature is simply a convenience. It certainly wasn't something found then. Then again, you had quite a few people involved in targeting.

Not sure exactly how it was in a U-boat, but US sub's had a Torpedo Fire Control Party. One example of a US WWII Torpedo Fire Control Party is: approach officer, attack and sonar coordinator, TDC operator, assistant TDC operator, navigational plotter, periscope assistant, sonar plotter, sonar plot recorder, 3 sonar operators, ST radar operator, firing key operator, gyro angle setters, SS radar operator, SV radar operator and TBT operator.*

All things considered, I don't think it's really 'cheating' to have a lock button to help us Kaluens out. ;)

*www.hnsa.org/doc/attack/

Shikkapow 10-17-06 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by P_Funk
The targeting computer is a very complex mistress. One thing that you must overcome conceptually is that the computer doesn't really target the merchant. What it does is take into account the information as to the ship's speed and course and such which you input. It then calculates how much a torpedo which you fire would have to lead the target in order to score a hit. So wherever you point the crosshair the computer is always assuming that is where the target is. This means that if your numbers are accurate pointing at specific parts of the ship will score a hit there. The locking feature is merely something of convenience.
No kidding, I thought that the computer did not take in the info from the periscope unless it was locked. ( I understand that that is merely a 2004 rendition of technology, not 1940's)
That opens up a whole new world.

Thanks

AVGWarhawk 10-18-06 03:42 PM
Convience for sure. Think about it. You at the scope calling out the AOB, speed, course. Your TDC man making the adjustments. In the this game you cannot not call out the figures. So the lock acts as the voice command. This is why I use weapons officer assist so he can dial in the figures. It gets to be to much without assist.

andy_311 10-18-06 04:04 PM
Personnally I wouldn't use the auto targeting (if you use it ) aim for the engine room or the fuel bunker it does work but it doesn't take 2-4 fish to take out a C3 or a T3 if you do it right she will go down in 1 shot but not all of them be paiteint.


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