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The Avon Lady 09-29-06 05:43 AM

Worry about China
 
Beijing secretly fires lasers to disable US satellites

It's not just the new laser toy. Read the entire article

snowsub 09-29-06 06:10 AM

Very interesting reading :hmm:

Although it's in china's interest to keep it's national issues secret, though the sabotage is a different matter.
I'm also wondering how indepth and true to the fact the info is.

Skybird 09-29-06 06:23 AM

Why expecting the Chinese to act intentionally to their strategical disadvantage? They have the tool to deny their major rival the ability to spy on them, so they use it to deny him that advantage. Who would not do that? After all, the act of spying, no matter how understandable it is for the spy's side, is an aggressive act. I'm sure the US does similiar things in return. during the early nineties circles in the pentagon tried to establish a doctrine of thinking that space is theirs and the right to use of it for strategic and military purposes should be denied to others. It seems, China disagrees on that landtaking policy. :)

But we should attack China preemptively. They are said to already have nukes, you know, and they are no American democracy. Dangerous, dangerous...

What I really would like to know is (but nobody will tell me) how sub operations close to China have been going over the last years. I am sure there are already many stories happening that we even do not want to know.

The Noob 09-29-06 06:38 AM

I can understand why they want to block US spy sat's.

Cold war, round 2: China vs. USA!

kiwi_2005 09-29-06 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
What I really would like to know is (but nobody will tell me) how sub operations close to China have been going over the last years. I am sure there are already many stories happening that we even do not want to know.

Oh thats easy. Just read a few Patrick Robinson or Tom Clancy Novels, they should keep ya uptodate with the silent war going on under the seas with US and China:arrgh!:

On another note IMHO i think and i hope im dead wrong, but we humans are due for another major war soon. Its in our blood to fight.:hmm:

sonar732 09-29-06 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
What I really would like to know is (but nobody will tell me) how sub operations close to China have been going over the last years. I am sure there are already many stories happening that we even do not want to know.

I'm actually surprised that you are asking this question Sky. It doesn't take a military analyst to know that we are conducting intel ops to figure out what they are up too. It's not just sub ops either, remember 01 April 2001? A EP-3 collied with a Chinese intercept plane while conducting intel ops.

Skybird 09-29-06 09:36 AM

I didn't ask if intel ops are going on. we all can safely assume that they are being carried out. If they are always going smooth and withoiut confrontation is something different - I expressed my concern that in that field things maybe already are going far tougher than the public can imagine.

SUBMAN1 09-29-06 10:03 AM

What I see here is not AMerican reluctance to do anything, but big business pressure to make the US back off. You know how much $$$ American companies have invested in China? To cause a conflict would be to bankrupt many of them. We are walking a fine line over here.

-S

Perilscope 09-29-06 10:04 AM

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Although the Chinese tests do not aim to destroy American satellites, the laser attacks could make them useless over Chinese territory.
China blind the satellite when hovering over their territory, sounds legitimate. :hmm:

SkvyWvr 09-29-06 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005
On another note IMHO i think and i hope im dead wrong, but we humans are due for another major war soon. Its in our blood to fight.:hmm:

That is soooo true. Man is it's own predator.

Oberon 09-29-06 10:12 AM

Haven't the Russkies got this tech too? Or did they just use the space based satkillers?

It's no surprise that China has high military ambitions, it's main goal is to become a superpower that is capable of taking on, and bloodying the US, especially in regards to Taiwan, and the Spratly Isles.

STEED 09-29-06 10:18 AM

I here China is doing well in pair part body organs they shoot there criminals and extract their organs for surgery and us Brits are flocking to China for new livers, kidneys, hearts and lungs.

I heard this on the radio.

TteFAboB 09-29-06 10:31 AM

No worries. It's a spy game.

Perilscope 09-29-06 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon
It's no surprise that China has high military ambitions, it's main goal is to become a superpower that is capable of taking on, and bloodying the US, especially in regards to Taiwan, and the Spratly Isles.

China is a tough nut, and I hate their ambition to recuperate Taiwan, it shows that they are not happy being as powerful as they are, they want more, they are no better than any other.

Moreover, since we live freely and have better ideology in general for our people, it's they the bad boys, I will never think otherwise. ;)

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Originally Posted by TteFAboB
No worries. It's a spy game.

That is what people probably said just before 1914 and 1939 ;)

Yahoshua 09-29-06 12:41 PM

Business is war.

tycho102 09-29-06 01:03 PM

Avon Lady, why don't you include your opinion along with your thread?

Anyway, I'll weigh in on China. In the land of China, the pacifists are beaten and executed. There is no Berkeley. There is no San Franscisco. There are no gay rights, and there's no debate over gays serving in the military or gays getting married. By California standards, a Chinese liberal would be a baby-killing warmonger.

So, they're blinding out sats. It is unfortunate for us, and I think it is highly likely that they will find out in the future it was to their misfortune, if they will sell this ability to Iran and North Korea. Firing a megawatt laser through the atmosphere and keeping a .0001 degree dispersion-arc isn't a small feat. Not to even begin figuring out how to continuously track a target well enough for the beam to perform it's function.

If there is truely any country that has the willpower to stand against the muslims, it's going to be China. But I honestly think that, once their economy and infrastructure advances to the level of America's, they will find they have to fight all the battles we're fighting -- if they want China to keep growing "larger".



If they sell this laser system, it's going to come back around to haunt them. Of that much I am certain.

Also, War is Deception. So Business is Deception. Which sounds about right for America. ;)

Skybird 09-29-06 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Perilscope
Moreover, since we live freely and have better ideology in general for our people, it's they the bad boys, I will never think otherwise. ;)

Strange. They have four times as many people as there are Americans on this globe, and the better part of these think the same like you - just reversed... ;)

Perilscope 09-29-06 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird
Strange. They have four times as many people as there are Americans on this globe, and the better part of these think the same like you - just reversed... ;)

Them they are forced to think that way, us we think freely. :D ;)

The Noob 09-29-06 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Perilscope
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Originally Posted by Skybird
Strange. They have four times as many people as there are Americans on this globe, and the better part of these think the same like you - just reversed... ;)

Them they are forced to think that way, us we think freely. :D ;)

You think you think freely...but your wrong.

The chinese will fight to death if a China v.s. US war will ever start. If the US don't uses nukes, they will loose. And if they do, the world will loose.

SkvyWvr 09-29-06 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Noob
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Originally Posted by Perilscope
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Originally Posted by Skybird
Strange. They have four times as many people as there are Americans on this globe, and the better part of these think the same like you - just reversed... ;)

Them they are forced to think that way, us we think freely. :D ;)

You think you think freely...but your wrong.

The chinese will fight to death if a China v.s. US war will ever start. If the US don't uses nukes, they will loose. And if they do, the world will loose.

It will come to Nukes. They will have to use them.


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