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pythos 10-22-05 02:45 AM

The new Sh 3 commander
 
Looks really good, only problem being it keeps saying it can't write to my carreer file, and or to the en. menu file in Sh3 itself, and consequently will not launch, is there something I am doing incorrectly?

JScones 10-22-05 03:23 AM

Basically, SH3 Commander is not being allowed to write to your game files. This generally happens because:

1. You are not logged in under the Computer administrator account. You must have administrator privileges to run SH3 Commander.

2. You have a firewall, antivirus, spyware or other system file monitoring application which is interpreting SH3 Commander's attempts to write to your SH3 files as malicious and hence blocking them. Try turning them all off and testing SH3 Commander again. If it works, turn the applications back on one-by-one, testing SH3 Commander in between. When it fails again, you've found the conflicting application.

pythos 10-22-05 10:10 PM

sh3 commander problem
 
I tried shutting my antivirus down, and since there is no "administrator" there was nothing I can do in that arena.

The problem persists. Also, when I try to change the starting date for a new carreer I get a warning window saying "Invalid Argument to date encode", whatever the heck that means.

I really wish I could get this to work. But this problem is baffling me.

JScones 10-22-05 10:17 PM

What OS are you running it on? If XP or 2000, then there *will* be an Administrator account (check under Control Panel|User Accounts). Please note that SH3Cmdr is not supported on any other OS.

pythos 10-23-05 09:28 PM

I am running on 98.
 
So because I am running on 98, I will not be able to run this new encarnation of commander? That blows ( a bit imature to say, but this sucks, I don't like xp or those other OSs.) Sh3 runs fine on my system, the same with all the mods ( from what I have seen anyhow).

Pinetree 10-23-05 11:10 PM

Re: I am running on 98.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pythos
So because I am running on 98, I will not be able to run this new encarnation of commander? That blows ( a bit imature to say, but this sucks, I don't like xp or those other OSs.) Sh3 runs fine on my system, the same with all the mods ( from what I have seen anyhow).

You're expecting a bit much aren't you? Why should a modder have support for an OS that is 7 yrs old and even the publishers of said OS aren't supporting anymore? I'll be immature too, build a bridge and get over it. Or upgrade.XP aint that bad..

JScones 10-24-05 02:47 AM

Re: I am running on 98.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pythos
So because I am running on 98, I will not be able to run this new encarnation of commander? That blows ( a bit imature to say, but this sucks, I don't like xp or those other OSs.) Sh3 runs fine on my system, the same with all the mods ( from what I have seen anyhow).

Conversely, I don't like Win98. Anyway, my DVD-ROM cover says the operating system required for SH3 is Windows XP or 2000. Hence, I have developed SH3 Commander to run on Windows XP or 2000. Other mods may work fine on Win98, but such mods generally consist of updated SH3 game files. SH3 Commander, however, is a full third party application. I simply cannot support older OS (which themselves are unsupported by their maker) when there are people with legitimate questions running on supported OS.

However, one thing you may like to make sure is that the files it fails on are not read only and that they exist at the path stated in the error message.

Cheapskate 10-24-05 03:57 PM

Re: I am running on 98.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pythos
So because I am running on 98, I will not be able to run this new encarnation of commander? That blows ( a bit imature to say, but this sucks, I don't like xp or those other OSs.) Sh3 runs fine on my system, the same with all the mods ( from what I have seen anyhow).

FWIW Pythos, I share your disappointment at not being able to run SH3 Cmdr. Would dearly have loved to experience the extra level of involvement that this mod would have given.

JS is right, the DVD did clearly state that only XP and 2000 would be supported. Pity then, that the pre release publicity did not. Then I might not have had such an unpleasant surprise on release day, when my copy landed on doormat (some three weeks after having ordered it ) . Strangely, the program's own system check passed my operating system without comment. Stranger still, it actually runs perfectly well despite the OS' obvious antiquity and decrepitness - that is , if you can ignore the sad fact that you can't save mid mission in career mode.

Looks like we're going to have to join all the others in the XX1st century! Or forgo the pleasures of SH3 Cmdr. I'm for the former option but not keen on going the XP route. Anyone got any informed views on suitability of Win2k?

Beery 10-24-05 04:41 PM

I love XP! It runs old Win95 games that Win98 wouldn't run.

gdogghenrikson 10-24-05 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beery
I love XP! It runs old Win95 games that Win98 wouldn't run.

me tooo. just played silent service 2 week or two ago
:rock:

Cheapskate 10-24-05 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beery
I love XP! It runs old Win95 games that Win98 wouldn't run.

Wow! I didn't think of that ! Do you mean I could actually run Virtual Valerie 2 at the proper speed with the sound in sync?
Ooh...ooh....OOOH! Chalk up another sale for XP then!

Seriously though, I am considering Win2k Pro because:-

1) I can get a copy fairly cheaply

2) Someone told me in another forum ( not SH3 related )
that they had two computers in the same household.
Each of them was running the same program. The XP
system kept BSODing all over the place, whereas the 2k
set up ran perfectly stably.

SH3 seems have a peculiar propensity to fall over at the slightest
opportunity. So I would welcome any advice from 2k owners, as to its stability running it.

Redfoot 10-24-05 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beery
I love XP! It runs old Win95 games that Win98 wouldn't run.

It does? My copy of Warhammer Dark Omen has been gathering dust since 1997.. :(

Beery 10-24-05 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redfoot
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beery
I love XP! It runs old Win95 games that Win98 wouldn't run.

It does? My copy of Warhammer Dark Omen has been gathering dust since 1997.. :(

It's not guaranteed that it'll run every game, but I have some very old games running fine on it - "Omikron: The Nomad Soul" and "The Last Express" for example.

As for general stability, I've never had a more stable OS in my life, and I've been at a computer virtually every day for the last 15 years.

pythos 10-24-05 10:31 PM

You can't save mid carreer with 98?
 
That's news to me. I can do everything the sime is capable of with my 98 machine. See the reason I like 98 is that not many virusus are being written for it, because it is too old. Also it does not and never has spewed all your personal info across the net for all to see, like the newer os s did when new. I also find it to be quite stable, unlike my roomates xp machine. This problem with commander, must be a simple fix, if the actual sim runs on the 98 machine.

I too was shocked when I saw the supported OS being 2000xp and newer, I was also upset when I found out I needed a new DVD rom. This kinda stuff should have been released far earlier than it was.

I however love the game, and am quite pleased with it. Along with the awsome mods.

Cheapskate 10-24-05 11:12 PM

Re: You can't save mid carreer with 98?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pythos
That's news to me. I can do everything the sime is capable of with my 98 machine. See the reason I like 98 is that not many virusus are being written for it, because it is too old. Also it does not and never has spewed all your personal info across the net for all to see, like the newer os s did when new. I also find it to be quite stable, unlike my roomates xp machine. This problem with commander, must be a simple fix, if the actual sim runs on the 98 machine.

I too was shocked when I saw the supported OS being 2000xp and newer, I was also upset when I found out I needed a new DVD rom. This kinda stuff should have been released far earlier than it was.

I however love the game, and am quite pleased with it. Along with the awsome mods.

Well your comments surprise me! You're the first person I've heard of getting in mission career saves with 98x systems. There have been quite a few threads started by people with this problem but they seem to peter out & die with no feedback as to whether, or more importantly, how the problem was solved.

Did you do anything special ... like renaming your save directory to match the XP protocols or are your saves just going to the usual " My Documents " folder? And which of the save options do you use i.e."Save then Exit patrol" or "Save and exit" ? Excuse all these questions but this problem has driven me nuts ever since I got the game. 98SE has always been stable for me too - I've hardly ever had a CTD - except when applying incompatible mods! And I have never CTD'd when using the crew configuration buttons that seem to trouble so many other newer OS' users.

Lastly, I am nervous about losing the comfort of a DOS based system. With DOS I think there is a fair chance of getting the system to do what YOU want , NOT what SOMEONE ELSE thinks you ought to. Maybe my confidence is misplaced but that's how I see it.

Beery 10-24-05 11:35 PM

Re: You can't save mid carreer with 98?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pythos
...This problem with commander, must be a simple fix, if the actual sim runs on the 98 machine...

Well, the problem (as I see it) is that SH3 Commander has a backlog of features that we would like to get developed. We have a finite time period to work on the mod, and we have a lot of work to do to make SH3 Commander be all it can be for Win2000 and XP. We are already looking at a situation where there's more to do than we have energy for. I believe that adding compatibility for other operating systems cannot be made a consideration at this point, because if SH3 Commander supports Win98 it's not just a case of a quick fix with no adverse repercussions. Even if it is a quick and easy fix, it means that we have lost that amount of development time (translation: a feature is not implemented). I am 100% devoted to getting as much content into SH3 Commander as possible. I want this mod to be the best free mod ever made for a simulation, and I think it can be that - it probably is already, but I want it to be unmatched and unchallenged for years. I want people to say, in 10 years time "Hey, do you remember SH3 Commander? Why don't they make mods like that anymore?" Maybe that's selfish, but it's how I feel about it.

This is the best, most promising, mod project I've ever been involved with, and I don't want even a quick sidestep to slow down the march of progress, because this mod (as everyone knows who has used it) is 'the business'. I realise that's a hard pill to swallow for those who can't use it. All the features in the world are useless if you can't use them, but I believe this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to make a good game really great, and I'm loathe to halt progress even for an instant. I'm telling you, if you really love SH3, and if you really want to use this mod, get an OS that will run it. I don't think you'll regret it. SH3 Commander, with its commander bio feature and the new features that are in development, creates a gaming experience that has never been matched by any mod that I've seen or heard about. It brings role-playing elements to the game that make SH3 deeper, more meaningful and more fun. What Jaesen has given us is a whole new reason to play. This blend of sim and RPG is (in my view) what simulations should be all about.

JScones 10-25-05 03:32 AM

Re: You can't save mid carreer with 98?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pythos
This problem with commander, must be a simple fix, if the actual sim runs on the 98 machine.

It's not a problem but a conscious design choice. Making it Win98 compatible means losing enhancements for WinXP/2000 users, or at the very least, rewriting the code to exclude features that won't work on Win98, meaning as Beery says, less time for adding new features. Either way, I don't think (supported) WinXP/2000 users will be happy.

And please, it's just not as simple as saying "well the game runs, everything else must be able to".

Quote:

Originally Posted by pythos
...I was also upset when I found out I needed a new DVD rom. This kinda stuff should have been released far earlier than it was.

Only when I got the thing home and wondered why it wasn't loading did I realise my mistake...Anyway, let's just say that I got my first DVD-ROM drive around the same time I got my SH3...

zoinks 10-25-05 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beery

As for general stability, I've never had a more stable OS in my life, and I've been at a computer virtually every day for the last 15 years.

i agree.
i installed xp pro on an old system i have:
celeron 300a
abit mb
diamond 300mx sound
asus video

xp pro runs more stable and faster than 98 ever did.

Cheapskate 10-25-05 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoinks
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beery

As for general stability, I've never had a more stable OS in my life, and I've been at a computer virtually every day for the last 15 years.

i agree.
i installed xp pro on an old system i have:
celeron 300a
abit mb
diamond 300mx sound
asus video

xp pro runs more stable and faster than 98 ever did.

Don't doubt this for a moment. The speed advantage of XP over 98x/ME has been well documented. It's just that , like Pythos ,I have reservations about XP and would like to consider a less draconian alternative. Win2k pro has been recommended to me - but not by anyone who is running SH3, and that would be my main reason for going NTFS! I know that 2k was never intended to be a gaming platform but that doesn't mean that it won't do the job. Has anyone out there had an opportunity to directly compare XP with 2k and can offer me advice. I know what I'm saying is " tell me that 2k is as good as XP" but I won't go that route if there is a cogent reason not to!

Beery 10-25-05 11:03 AM

Re: You can't save mid carreer with 98?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones
It's not a problem but a conscious design choice. Making it Win98 compatible means losing enhancements for WinXP/2000 users, or at the very least, rewriting the code to exclude features that won't work on Win98, meaning as Beery says, less time for adding new features. Either way, I don't think (supported) WinXP/2000 users will be happy...

Hehe, I can see it now:

Quote:

Final version of SH3 Commander now available!

Commander bio feature removed.
Removed "Use real ship names" option.
Removed realistic crew transfers option.
Various deletions and feature cut-backs.
Win98 now supported!
:arrgh!:


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